Commodore V6

[philba]

I know that this is kinda off topic and I am sorry if it's too farr off

 

so why did the dumb arses at holden drop the best engine they ever had (RB30) for that stinker of an engine.

 

Cos the V6 was till in development when Holden decided to pull the plug on the ol' trusty 202, and they needed something to fill the gap for a couple of years. Holden did look into keeping the RB30, but it was too expensive to get someone else to build an engine for them. But now they're not using that old engine either, now it's a 3.6L 60-degree DOHC V6. Granted, it is underpowered when compared to smaller capacity engine (even the new toyota V6 makes more with les capacity)

 

OK, time for me to get off my high horse, sorry if I pissed anyone off

[dysolve]

well I believe the only reason the rb30 was used was because of a few reasons

 

1. old 202 could not meet new polution reg's so they where force to replace engine

2 as most cars now had EFI and the old 202 with EFI sucked ( I owned a VK calais and we removed the EFI)

3. Holden did not have a replacement for the 202 (at the right price)

 

and a few more I believe.

 

I own a VP wagon and its been the cheaps car to run I have ever had.. I do not knock commodore I knock the bogans they attract.. and I believe that would be the same for most people who blabber on about commodores.. I still think the neatest car I have seen was a VH commodore wagon, that an old guy had restored. I wish I had a camera that day..

 

 

I would never buy any australian built car new. They devalue to fast, I suppose that means there over priced also, but theres nothing wrong with get a car at the right price.

[MRMOPARMAN]

Holden did look into keeping the RB30, but it was too expensive to get someone else to build an engine for them. But now they're not using that old engine either, now it's a 3.6L 60-degree DOHC V6. Granted, it is underpowered when compared to smaller capacity engine (even the new toyota V6 makes more with les capacity)

 

 

holden bought the rights off nissan and actually made the engine in taiwan from what I'm told.

 

and the new toyota V6 is a 4.0l..

[Des]

Ive only herd bad about newer commodorescommodores, VN's having gearbox troubles, VT electrical issues, VX suspension issues, VZ and VY steering issues and the V8's wearing out tires really quick :D but never owning one i can't really complain about them very much.

[Rolla__Boy]

Being one of the few people on this forum to have actually driven a corolla with a VN V6 in it, I can say, they handle and stop just fine (not at stupid speeds though) and so far the engine has done ALOT of burnouts, and went in a burnout comp a few weekends ago, and ran perfect, didn't even get hot. It starts first go every time, it's fun to drive, it is a great combination for basically no money.

[st.nick]

DON"T put in a Commodore engine!!

 

If you want more power, convert to a later model/bigger 4cyl engine in and be done with it.

 

If a corolla was meant to have a 6 in it.. the japs would have built on with a 6!! If you really want a Commodore 6cyl engine, get a Commodore!!

 

Short, sharp and it makes sense...

 

 

 

My .02c

[Des]

If what rollaboy said is true i say go for it. :D

[ancullen]

and the new toyota V6 is a 4.0l..

 

No, the latest range of Toyota V6's is the GR-series, which is as follows:

 

1GR-FE, 4.0L, 185kW, 383Nm

2GR-FE, 3.5L, 200kW, 336Nm

2GR-FSE, 3.5L, 232kW, 377Nm

3GR-FE, 3.0L, 170kW, 300Nm

3GR-FSE, 3.0L, 183kW, 312Nm

4GR-FSE, 2.5L, 152kW, 265Nm

 

Compare this with Holden's best power figures for each of the following engines:

 

3.8L Ecotec V6, 152kW, 305Nm

3.8L Supercharged V6, 171kW, 375Nm

3.6L Alloytec V6, 180kW, 330Nm

3.6L High Output Alloytec V6, 195kW, 340Nm

 

With just 3.5-litres (2GR-FSE), Toyota makes more power and torque than Holden with 3.8-litres PLUS a supercharger!!! And to compare current engines, with just the basic 2GR-FE 3.5L, Toyota makes more power and more torque than the newer 3.6L High Output Alloytec V6.

 

As for V8's (which I know nobody asked about), the new Toyota 1UR-FSE 4.6L V8 makes 280kW and 500Nm. The 6.0L Holden V8 only makes 270kW and 530Nm. When the new 2UR-FSE 5.0L V8 is finally released, there's talk of 335kW and 540Nm, all of this from 1000cc less than the Holden monstrosity. Hell, even the latest HSV version *only* makes 307kW and 550Nm, so the Toyota 5.0L will probably eat it up too.

[Hiro Protagonist]

thery arent bad for a 40year old engine, thats right.. they wernt anything special back then either! so why did the dumb arses at holden drop the best engine they ever had (RB30) for that stinker of an engine.

 

Because it was too damn expensive thats why. The Buick was in-house, and cheap, whilst the Nissan was expensive and out of house, as they had to pay money to Nissan to build every one of them. The only reason they went to the RB30 in the first place was because the Blue/Black couldn't satisfy emissions regulations

 

and they had to run a balancing shaft to save money so they didnt have to balance the internals. :D

 

 

Ummmm, the reason it needs a balance shaft is because the 90 degree (one of the most common, as it is a V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off) V6 configuration is NATURALLY unbalanced. Practically all 90 degree V6s have balance shafts, whilst inline 6s (which are naturally balanced) don't need them. None of this crap about Holden/Buick not bothering to balance the engine. Inline 4s are naturally unbalanced too (2nd order vibration at twice engine speed), but most of them are small enough to not need balance shafts (which is why bigger 4s like the 2.6L Astron needs them)

Edited September 21, 2006 by Hiro Protagonist

[Mr Hardware]

Hiro Protagonist and dysolve speak the truth.

 

And no, RB30 atmo's can't get 7L/100klms. Thats shit.

 

My bro has a VL. I come from a family of Commodores. I've seen the good and the bad. Are they shit? no. Do they have jap engineering and quality? no. Are they generally good cars? Yes.

 

Only rarely did VNs have box troubles. Only rarely did VTs have electrical troubles. Only rarely did VXs have suspension troubles etc.

 

Just remember that there are alot more examples of Commodores that most other cars. You're always going to get some that fail. If you thrash the shit out of a Corolla and run it up gutters and abuse it, it aint gonna last. Same with Commodores.

 

Low power per litre? Yes. So what. It's the torque that gets you there. They build the cars for Aussies and generally Aussies love torque.

 

I have a LPG falcon. Probably about 140kw and 380nm of torque from 4L. Thats dispecable power output. Thats an awesome torque output tho.

 

Just remember, There's a place for everything.

[beerhead]

Shit eh? I owned a VL for a few years, well driven I could easily get within the 7's on the highway, maybe your brother has a lead foot.

[Mr Hardware]

You must have had a freak of nature VL. My bro's is absolutely spick and span, body and mechanically. 9's on the highway, 12-13s around town.

 

On a side note, my falcon gets 19-22L/100klms around town on Gas. Hooray for gas, otherwise i'd be a poor man.

Edited September 21, 2006 by Mr Hardware

[love ke70]

autos or manuals?

and diff ratios?

theres a few things thatll effect the economy...

[beerhead]

Mine was an auto at 100 it sat on 2K rpm. So it probably was geared quite high.

 

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Now that I think of it it must have been really high, you could drop the auto back to 2nd doing 100kph and the gearbox wouldn't winge. It'd hit about 4400 rpm and eat up any overtaking opportunity.

Edited September 21, 2006 by beerhead

[Mr Hardware]

Hmm yeah same with my bro's. Auto, 2000rpm at 100kmh.

 

My falcon does 1600rpm at 100kmh. Now thats high.