Ke30 Engine Swap

[avat2v]

hello, I am going to buy my friend's KE30.

it is 4 door.

 

I am planning to replace the engine & gearbox (the original only have 4speed).

 

the question is:

1. is it possible to get a 5AFE engine??

2. what is the easiest & the simplest injection engine to attached??

3. are there any kind of gearbox that can be use without any customization??

 

my friends said that the best engine to be attached is 4AGE, but for me it is too expensive & for my opinion it is a thristy engine.

I like a so so engine, that have a bigger power than the old one but not much and I like the injection one.

 

sorry for bad english

 

thx Rolla Club

Edited December 20, 2011 by avat2v

[JJT036]

There are many injected Toyota engines out there than you could drop into your KE30.

 

1. a) One of the easiest, an EFI Intake Kit from a KR42R Townace.

... b) If not the Injection kit itself, a 7K-E Engine from a KR42R Townace.

2. The most common, the 4A-GE conversion.

3. A 2T-GEU from a TA22 Celica, but by the time you waste your money and time on the conversion, the 4AGE would be more worth it in the end.

4. A 3S-GE Beams from an Altezza. It might be a bit of a costly conversion, but it's more fuel efficient, and more powerful than a 4A-GE.

 

There are many options out there. An "FE" engine isn't the best for Power, but certainly is fuel efficient. If you're going to go for an A-series engine, and put all your money, time, and effort into it, a Powerful engine like the 4A-GE, or the 4A-GZE (Supercharged) would be the better option. :yes:

 

I haven't done these conversion, but these are just options you could consider. :)

 

Josh :cool:

Edited December 20, 2011 by ewt

[Jono.C]

How do you get that a 2.0L Beams would be more fuel efficient than a 1.6L 4age? JW.

[JJT036]

How do you get that a 2.0L Beams would be more fuel efficient than a 1.6L 4age? JW.

It's from what I heard off someone.

[B.L.Z.BUB]

My 4age is about the same if not better on fuel than my 4k was. And it doesn't have an o2 sensor.

[altezzaclub]

My 1360kg Altezza runs its beams at 9L/100km, and the girl's 1080kg KE70 with twin SUs & cam etc runs at 7.5L/100km. so a third more weight for less than1/3rd more fuel. Then again, 210bhp compared to about 65bhp...

 

avat2v, the simplest will be an engine already running rear wheel drive, so a 5K or 7K would be the cheapest starting point. The 5A motors would need turning around and a RWD gerarbox fitted wouldn't they?

 

 

[avat2v]

There are many injected Toyota engines out there than you could drop into your KE30.

 

1. a) One of the easiest, an EFI Intake Kit from a KR42R Townace.

... b) If not the Injection kit itself, a 7K-E Engine from a KR42R Townace.

2. The most common, the 4A-GE conversion.

3. A 2T-GEU from a TA22 Celica, but by the time you waste your money and time on the conversion, the 4AGE would be more worth it in the end.

4. A 3S-GE Beams from an Altezza. It might be a bit of a costly conversion, but it's more fuel efficient, and more powerful than a 4A-GE.

 

There are many options out there. An "FE" engine isn't the best for Power, but certainly is fuel efficient. If you're going to go for an A-series engine, and put all your money, time, and effort into it, a Powerful engine like the 4A-GE, or the 4A-GZE (Supercharged) would be the better option. :yes:

 

I haven't done these conversion, but these are just options you could consider. :)

 

Josh :cool:

thx for the reply

 

yes I knew it, A series is for performance, that's why I don't like it much..

it's useless for me because its an old car and I use it not for something like racing, I like it not so fast & efficient, I like it to be special, so I prefer the FE engine.

 

my friends also told me to use 4K or 7K engine, but I already have a car that use that both the engine, all of them are really bad in fuel consumption.

they run at 13L/100km and the best I get is 12L/100km, even the both car that use the engine is not a sedan, but from the characteristic its seems to be a thristy engine.

 

My 1360kg Altezza runs its beams at 9L/100km, and the girl's 1080kg KE70 with twin SUs & cam etc runs at 7.5L/100km. so a third more weight for less than1/3rd more fuel. Then again, 210bhp compared to about 65bhp...

 

avat2v, the simplest will be an engine already running rear wheel drive, so a 5K or 7K would be the cheapest starting point. The 5A motors would need turning around and a RWD gerarbox fitted wouldn't they?

 

yes, some of my friends use a 4K & 5K engine, but like I thought, they run in a bad fuel efficiency.

I am start to thinking about using a 7K-E engine, the Electronic Fuel Injection one, but it has some problem for the gearbox, some say that it needs a major modification to fit in. And I also think about to use an 1RZ-E engine, but its 2L engine,but its too much for the little corolla.

 

I also think about to use a diesel engine, it runs very good on fuel efficiency, but almost all the system must be changed. the fuel tank, electricity and mountings.. :(

 

 

thx all for the reply, any thoughts?? :)

is it possible to use 2L diesel engine from Toyota Crown????

Edited December 21, 2011 by avat2v

[ke70dave]

on the fuel efficency front...

 

the only way a 1.3L carby or 1.6L EFI engine is going to have bad fuel efficiency, is if it is stuffed, isnt tuned correctly, or there is a stuffed sensor that is causing the EFI system to crap itself.

 

all efi systems go rich when there is a problem, because rich is safe.

 

my stocko 4k got less than 10L/100km

 

my 4age got less than 8L/100km, ALOT less on the highway, was freakin' awesome fuel economy for the power available.

 

the 4afe is not a bad engine, and would suit RWD perfectly...if it didnt have a distributer hanging out the back of it.

 

somewhere in here is a 4efe rwd conversion,

 

http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/37105-greenmacs-other-ke/page__st__555

 

very simliar to the 4afe, as it has the distributer out the back as well....

[altezzaclub]

What do you need for distributor-less ignition Dave? Sensors on the crank pulley, talking to an aftermarket computor that fires a coil on each spark plug??

 

I suppose it needs to handle all the sensors for temp & throttle position as well, so becomes a complete replacement computer... Too expensive avat2v??

[ke70dave]

yeah you would need to replace the dizzy with some sort of electronic pick up device (ie a crank angle sensor, maybe even use the standard pickup in the dizzy, and cut the rest off....), then a minmum of 2 coils (for wasted spark), an iignitor of some description (you could make one using some high powered electronics, or use one off another car), then someway of getting the signal from the ecu to the ingitors telling the coils when to fire. and if you can get all this to work with the factory ECU you would be doing very well.

 

maybe could be done, but would take alot of thinking, and probably just alot easier to buy a 2nd hand aftermarket ecu...

 

alternatively weld a box into your firewall for the dizzy to sit in. or you might be able to beat it enough to make it fit......

Edited December 21, 2011 by ke70dave

[avat2v]

on the fuel efficency front...

 

the only way a 1.3L carby or 1.6L EFI engine is going to have bad fuel efficiency, is if it is stuffed, isnt tuned correctly, or there is a stuffed sensor that is causing the EFI system to crap itself.

 

all efi systems go rich when there is a problem, because rich is safe.

 

my stocko 4k got less than 10L/100km

 

my 4age got less than 8L/100km, ALOT less on the highway, was freakin' awesome fuel economy for the power available.

 

the 4afe is not a bad engine, and would suit RWD perfectly...if it didnt have a distributer hanging out the back of it.

 

somewhere in here is a 4efe rwd conversion,

 

http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/37105-greenmacs-other-ke/page__st__555

 

very simliar to the 4afe, as it has the distributer out the back as well....

 

 

What do you need for distributor-less ignition Dave? Sensors on the crank pulley, talking to an aftermarket computor that fires a coil on each spark plug??

 

I suppose it needs to handle all the sensors for temp & throttle position as well, so becomes a complete replacement computer... Too expensive avat2v??

 

 

yeah you would need to replace the dizzy with some sort of electronic pick up device (ie a crank angle sensor, maybe even use the standard pickup in the dizzy, and cut the rest off....), then a minmum of 2 coils (for wasted spark), an iignitor of some description (you could make one using some high powered electronics, or use one off another car), then someway of getting the signal from the ecu to the ingitors telling the coils when to fire. and if you can get all this to work with the factory ECU you would be doing very well.

 

maybe could be done, but would take alot of thinking, and probably just alot easier to buy a 2nd hand aftermarket ecu...

 

alternatively weld a box into your firewall for the dizzy to sit in. or you might be able to beat it enough to make it fit......

 

hmm...

really thanks for the explanation..

 

that guy's corolla was absolutely beautiful..

 

I got it, too make it simple to install the best way is having K engine instead of the other engine..

but if I want an efficient engine it could be more difficult to do & more expensive, right is it??

 

but is it possible to use a diesel engine?? because I know a person that sell the engine..

and also diesel engine for the old corolla maybe perfect, it will sound like muscle car with a custom mufler..

[avat2v]

sorry for double posting..

 

my father just said, that if I want to use a FF engine in a FR chassis, it might become not as good as (in fuel consumption) where it was properly installed. I mean the 4EFE engine was design for FF, when attached to a FR car it must facing the axle, diff. and that kind of stuff, sorry I don't know how to explain it well in english but the point is, mostly (not all) the FF engine is have a higher compression ratio than the FR engine, most of the FR layout need a bigger torque not a bigger horsepower.

to get a bigger torque needs a higher RPM which means more fuel will be used. so if the FR engine has a little bit more thristy than the FF engine that just I want to use, better use the FR, because its like a gamble.

just like you put a Lamborghini Aventador engine inside the big Scania truck.

 

that's my father said...

he said I better get a 7K/7K-EFI engine..

 

again, is it possible to get a diesel engine?? :laff:

I love that heavy sound..

 

 

sorry bad english

Edited December 22, 2011 by avat2v

[altezzaclub]

What he said is true, but I'm not sure it is important. FWD does have less transmission loss than RWD, but it is small compared to the overall energy needed to drive the car.

 

I used a 1600 carb'd Pulsar wagon for work over 250,000km, and it ran around 7.5L/100km. I moved up to the next model Pulsar wagon, which was 1800cc injected (more efficient) and 4WD, (less efficient) The overall difference was about 0.3L/100km so less than 5% for having the extra drag of 4WD and the extra 200cc.

 

Most motors now run more compression than they used to 25years ago, and they rev higher. Apart from the work and cost, any twincam motor made after 2000 will still have more power and be more economical than an old K motor.

 

I don't know of any K diesels, the nearest will be an old Land Cruiser 4cyl, but they are horrible ancient things of 3L... so giant pistons rattling around!

[ke70dave]

i think you are getting way to obsessed wtih fuel economy.......

 

you can't expect less than 7L/100km from a 20yr+ old engine.

 

keep your foot off the loud pedal and any engine will be fuel efficient.

 

FR vs FF drivetrain losses.....bugger all difference. FF they have a gearbox and differential as well you know.

 

FF higher compresion ratio? what?

 

forget diesel, too slow, and sound bloody aweful.

 

7k EFI is a good choice.

[JJT036]

forget diesel, too slow, and sound bloody aweful.

 

7k EFI is a good choice.

+1. :yes:

 

Don't go Diesel. Getting the Engine and all the Diesel Gear is more costly than a 4AGE conversion itself.

 

If you don't want to put in a 7K-E, get yourself a 5K and put the 7K EFI Kit onto it. A 5K is a drop-straight-in conversion, whereas the 7K will need a few modifications to fit the engine into the bay. I don't 100% know these modifications, but I heard from someone you need to do some Mods to the sump, and Mods to other things to fit it into a KE3x/5x. :)

 

Josh :cool:

Edited December 22, 2011 by ewt