7shades Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Steering wheel is the smallest ever fitted to a Toyota UK list price is 24,990 (pounds) And yes, it has power steering... Hydraulic not electric. That's a good thing. And drive by wire, disappointingly... But nobody's had a complain about the DBW as they have in other cars yet, so hopefully they've managed to get the throttle weighting/resistance right. Quote
Willis Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Drive By Wire is still very disappointing. Quote
ke70dave Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 hmmmm drive by wire is definately a minus...but seems everyone is doing it, its an emissions thing i thought? looks like a fun car though, i want to have a go. Quote
7shades Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Yeah as much as I love me some cable, I don't think its coming back. I'm keen to drive this thing just to see how much 'real' feeling they've managed to put back into it after the last decade spent taking it out with electronics. That applies to all cars too, not just Toyota. Quote
ke70dave Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 yeah it was interseting what that guy was saying about how he thinks this new car has put the focus back on the driver, not on the car as much of the electronics have been doing lately. hopefully they succeeded, looks like he was havnig a blast driving it. but at ~38k its going to be a while before i can afford one. thats not really that cheap. now i want toyota to enter the WRC with it;) shoe horn a wrx gearbox in there to get the front wheels turning, and add a hair dryer. Quote
Willis Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 now i want toyota to enter the WRC with it;) shoe horn a wrx gearbox in there to get the front wheels turning, and add a hair dryer. I like the way you think Dave. The whole Drive by Wire thing taking over is a just a bit silly isn't it? Why would you replace a system that worked fine for so long. I'd rather my foot being the difference between a crash and an avoided accident. Not a remote control. What if it fails when you really need it? Quote
towe001 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 hmmmm drive by wire is definately a minus...but seems everyone is doing it, its an emissions thing i thought? From what i've read about the DBW its for emissions and smoother throttle control/response. Our lancer has it, when i had the old ke30 i could notice the difference between them, its the same thing with the father-inlaws astra. Hard to explain but there's no, urm, edgyness (harshness) on the lancers throttle. And on the plus side of the DBW is that when the cruise control is set the speed stays more or less the same on the flats, up a slope and down a slope there's very little, if any, run-away on the speed of the car. The cars i've driven that had cruise would run-away on a downwards slope which would mean i'd have to do some braking and in turn cancelling the cruise control. Quote
altezzaclub Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Posted February 9, 2012 I would've thought the runaway throttles in the USA would have put people off handing your life over to a cheap computer... The Altezza is not sharp in its rev up & down, its a funny semi-DBW where it has a cable and a complicated motor/sensor setup in the throttle body. The KE70 on twin Sus on the other hand... :) Quote
ke70dave Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 yeah ive driven a few cars wtih the fly by wire newish golf with fly by wire and DSG gearbox, as well as the newish falcon and commondore. felt incredibly disconnected from all cars, especially the golf. was like i was along for the ride... agreed it worked awesome for cruise control. Quote
philbey Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) I like the way you think Dave. The whole Drive by Wire thing taking over is a just a bit silly isn't it? Why would you replace a system that worked fine for so long. I'd rather my foot being the difference between a crash and an avoided accident. Not a remote control. What if it fails when you really need it? Cheaper to build. Allows greater design flexibility. Gets around the inherent problem with cars, in cab noise, because it doesn't act as a conduit for vibration straight to the hot seat. Easier to assemble. Funnily enough, you may laugh, but its probably statistically less likely to fail than the mechanical parts, across a production run of hundreds of thousands of parts. Altezzaclub, the stuck throttle incidents were mechanical failures; nothing to do with the computer. Edited February 9, 2012 by philbey Quote
Willis Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Well I'm not laughing, I just trust my foot more than fly by wire. Something sketchy about it that I don't like. I wouldn't trust a computer to do the braking for me either. Quote
Jono.C Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't trust a computer to do the braking for me either. :yes: :y: Edited February 9, 2012 by Jono.C Quote
go baby go Posted February 17, 2012 Report Posted February 17, 2012 I'm not sure if this question has been asked but will GT86 owners have there own space on Rolla Club. No I didnt see any corolla badges on it but it is based on the spirit/ driftability (is that a word?) and agility of the original 86. I,m buying one. $1000 deposit, first batch delivered in mid June price range at the moment $40,000 to $45,000 but was told that could change , so what i,m buying one. Funny thing is I showed my mum this concept about a year and a half ago and now she has also put down a deposit. I,m not sure how i feel about that :hmm: . She must be having a midlife crises. Quote
Willis Posted February 17, 2012 Report Posted February 17, 2012 I'm not sure if this question has been asked but will GT86 owners have there own space on Rolla Club. No I didnt see any corolla badges on it but it is based on the spirit/ driftability (is that a word?) and agility of the original 86. I,m buying one. $1000 deposit, first batch delivered in mid June price range at the moment $40,000 to $45,000 but was told that could change , so what i,m buying one. Funny thing is I showed my mum this concept about a year and a half ago and now she has also put down a deposit. I,m not sure how i feel about that :hmm: . She must be having a midlife crises. I don't think there would be. From the sounds of it, not many people will be buying one until they're a little bit older, a little bit cheaper and when there's more of an aftermarket. Maybe when that day arrives but until then there would probably be an FT86 forum somewhere on the net. Just search around. Quote
towe001 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Posted February 17, 2012 Yeah it would be interesting to see Clarkson in the drivers seat and what he makes of it. I'd be pretty sure the Hamster would drool over it. James May wouldn't like it and more then likely think its a teenagers wet dream. Watching Series 18 Ep.3 of Topgear, they just had a news segment on the '86 May - "A new from Toyota is the FT86. Looks ugly but at least it has a rear diff and an LSD" Clarkson - "hmm, rear drive. Comparing rear wheel to front wheel drive is like comparing......" Hammond - "Whats interesting is that it has a boxer motor" Clarkson - "<giggles> Comparing a boxer motor to a normal motor is like comparing....." Clarkson - "And moving on...." May - "The new Dacia Sandero...." Quote
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