MrInKryption Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I keep hearing everyone recommending ARP head bolts. What makes them so special? Cheers Ray. Quote
kickn5k Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 I keep hearing everyone recommending ARP head bolts. What makes them so special? Cheers Ray. WWWAAAAYYYY better material to start with and they are the same diameter all the down the stud. stu. 1 Quote
MrInKryption Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 That clears things up for me perfectly thanks Stu. Quote
Trev Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Also the fact that they are a stud you are applying a force to the thread in the block but to the stud itself. Quote
MrInKryption Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 So these are amazing quality bolts, which take force not only on the thread but on the stud, wow. Quote
MrInKryption Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 Oh. Excuse my noobiness by the way. Quote
diegoh Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Ive been told the 4age long bolt in arp match the K series ones but you need 2 sets. Usually ARP can be contacted and they will supply then all the same length but don't know the price or sizes. Quote
Mitch-12 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 i import sets for 4k but its only worth it with a group buy Quote
ke70dave Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Also the fact that they are a stud you are applying a force to the thread in the block but to the stud itself. The force or tension in the bolt/stud etc is the same throughout the bolt/stud, and is also the same force that the thread must withstand. since its all joined together. i think bolt stretch is the big thing with ARP head bolts, there is some good information on their website, fairly vague. but gives you a good idea. http://arp-bolts.com/pages/technical_design.shtml if you click on "technical" there is some more pages. Quote
kickn5k Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Ive been told the 4age long bolt in arp match the K series ones but you need 2 sets. Usually ARP can be contacted and they will supply then all the same length but don't know the price or sizes. Yep that's right. Pretty sure part numbers I have are for 4age long studs. I got a price through my wholesale supplier at $260. Which is a lot dearer than Mitch-12's and boostedk's group buy prices. Is this for a boosted or big compression "K"? If not it's not a real necessity for them. Stu. Quote
diegoh Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Under a liteace or townace it seems the extra heat can cause issues with the headgasket more than rollas, not to mention soften heads. Re-tightening H/bolts every 10,000klms helps but I always think arp head bolts are a good investment if you are keeping the engine for its life. For my low km 5k liteace I'm getting a twin port ex manifold and outlets coated by HPC to help with lowering the temps but might need ARP headbolts also. Quote
kickn5k Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Under a liteace or townace it seems the extra heat can cause issues with the headgasket more than rollas, not to mention soften heads. Re-tightening H/bolts every 10,000klms helps but I always think arp head bolts are a good investment if you are keeping the engine for its life. For my low km 5k liteace I'm getting a twin port ex manifold and outlets coated by HPC to help with lowering the temps but might need ARP headbolts also. In your case I'd probably use them myself. HPC will help in your situation a heap too!!! Also are you using genuine Toyota head gaskets? From memory are around $50. Do you have a measurement of the head top to bottom(mine has been savagely milled) Reason I ask is that(and Mitch can you confirm this) with my milled 5k head I'd have to use 2 washers as the studs are a bit longer than the factory bolt. Stu. Edited October 18, 2011 by kickn5k Quote
Trev Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 The force or tension in the bolt/stud etc is the same throughout the bolt/stud, and is also the same force that the thread must withstand. since its all joined together. i think bolt stretch is the big thing with ARP head bolts, there is some good information on their website, fairly vague. but gives you a good idea. http://arp-bolts.com/pages/technical_design.shtml if you click on "technical" there is some more pages. If you have ever fitted them then you would know what I mean. When installing head bolts you are applying a twisting as well as an upwards motion to the thread, this can damage the threads (like trying to put a bolt into an exhaust on an aluminum head instead of a stud), by installing a stud the breaking force is applied to the stud which is why they are screwed in finger tight. Quote
Mitch-12 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 In your case I'd probably use them myself. HPC will help in your situation a heap too!!! Also are you using genuine Toyota head gaskets? From memory are around $50. Do you have a measurement of the head top to bottom(mine has been savagely milled) Reason I ask is that(and Mitch can you confirm this) with my milled 5k head I'd have to use 2 washers as the studs are a bit longer than the factory bolt. Stu. yeah with any 5k head you need 2 washers and you could use 2 with 4k also but it seems to just make it with 1 washer Quote
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