Subaru

[irokin]

Liftoff Snap Oversteer

 

Ive got a video of this from Teddy. I'll post it if he OKs it.

 

There really isnt much you can do about controlling snap oversteer from a FWD...Maybe reef on the handbrake to get it to spin out. Other than that....just sit there and see where the car wants to go.

[Felix]

huh?

 

i take snap oversteer as being when the back end steps sideways, and wants to overtake the front. ie you are already spinning out, unless you do something to recoup it.

 

are we talking about the same thing?

[Super Jamie]

yes, we are talking about the same thing

[Mr Revhead[RL]]

the only good evo is the four

 

thats funny, coz when they released it, in rallying. the 3 was faster! in fact the 4 flopped!

 

and toyota havnt bought subaru, its fuji heavy industries, the compony that owns subaru.

 

FUJI

 

sligth understeer is safer than oversteer.

 

I'm not talking about fully locked front wheels either....

 

also slight understeer is faster than oversteer. *cue drift wannabes*

[Teddy]

Click me for FWD Lesson

 

Yes, have a look.

 

he drives it like a frekin RWD...

[irokin]

and toyota havnt bought subaru, its fuji heavy industries, the compony that owns subaru.

 

Which doesnt change anything. Control fuji and you control subaru.

 

It also means we could possibly see Toyota aircraft... lmfao

[Super Jamie]

thats funny, coz when they released it, in rallying. the 3 was faster! in fact the 4 flopped!

oh of course. the 4 was the first model of that shape, it had all the problems and is worth the least

 

i just meant looks :jamie:

[ancullen]

most FWDs will understeer if pushed into a corner to fast. the only way they really oversteer is if you left foot brake or use the handbrake. not something the average driver is going to do.

that is understeer, ie. push. the car wants to run wide.

 

really it is easy to recover from, by simply taking your foot off the gas and everything returns to normal. it is a normal reaction from an average driver.

if the backend steps out on a RWD, you have to regulate it with opposite lock and throttle. takes more work then simply taking your foot off the gas like a FWD.

 

Sorry but you're wrong Felix. If the backend on a FWD car starts to step out badly, you don't lift your foot right off the throttle. If you do, you'll suddenly find the back end has caught up with you and you've spun out or hit something. Instead you want to ease off the throttle to reduce speed gradually without suddenly shifting more weight to the front of the car (like what happens when you lift off completely or brake). The other option would be to floor the accelerator and use the FWD's natural understeer to counteract the oversteer, bringing you back into line.

 

The reason FWD is considered safer is because understeer is easier to control than oversteer. If someone goes into a corner a bit too hot, instead of having the backend step out on them (assuming they're staying on the throttle), the car will begin to run wide. And as the natural reaction when something is going wrong is to lift off the throttle and brake, the car will go into a more natural cornering motion with the weight shifting to over the driving wheels, putting more grip down to hold the cornering line better. With understeer in a RWD car I would imagine you have to put a lot more work in to bring the car's line back into shape.

[Mr Revhead[RL]]

Which doesnt change anything. Control fuji and you control subaru

 

what i was meaning is i don't think toyota are out to control subaru.... more the other industries fuji has stakes in. subaru just came with the package.

 

opposite lock! that works :D

[Felix]

actually in my earlier post i wasn't real clear.

 

i was trying to say the most common way the average motorist, gets into trouble with a FWD it is simply going into a corner a bit fast and experiencing understeer.

 

my reference towards the back stepping out was meant to be for RWD only, as in a little to much gas coming out of a corner. the most common mistake average RWDers make. i just didn't word it right or proof read properly.

 

With understeer in a RWD car I would imagine you have to put a lot more work in to bring the car's line back into shape.

 

sudden throttle liftoff, will provoke the car into an oversteer condition. well mine does anyway.

 

like you said, it is all about controlling weight transfer. :D