What Do You Think, 1Jz Or Sr20

[Crowie55]

i'm tempted but i love my little box of crap, btw is that car legal in nsw... i dunno if we have mod plate laws :P

How difficult would a 4age or Beams motor be in my little car compared to the ones above?

(I still reckon a supercharger sr20 would be sick!!)

It is mod plated in QLD though you'll have to get a roadworthy to re rego it.

Are you going to engineer/mod plate yours?

Are you on your P's?

Have you ever even changed an engine over?

Can you fabricate?

 

Why so quick to bag out a 5k? have you ever driven a corolla with one? They are surprisingly quick and you can defiantly feel and see the difference. Bog stock 5k in my brothers 55 cost him a few hundred bucks, pulls hard and takes it to Na Silvia's, No attention from the cops. I suggest you pick up a larger k series engine first, get some experience, maybe modify it with extractors, carby, cam ect, then go for the whole hog later when you've finished your apprentiship, and can do a decent job of it. I'm also assuming this is your daily driver? K series engines take a mater of a few hours to change over, meanwhile 4age, sr20det ect take weeks to change over. How will you get to work? The key is to plan and organise everything, have everything ready to complete the job, set aside a weekend with a mate to do it, and some cash in case things don't work out.

Cheers, Crowie.

[Ke30 4 350]

It is mod plated in QLD though you'll have to get a roadworthy to re rego it.

Are you going to engineer/mod plate yours?

Are you on your P's?

Have you ever even changed an engine over?

Can you fabricate?

 

Why so quick to bag out a 5k? have you ever driven a corolla with one? They are surprisingly quick and you can defiantly feel and see the difference. Bog stock 5k in my brothers 55 cost him a few hundred bucks, pulls hard and takes it to Na Silvia's, No attention from the cops. I suggest you pick up a larger k series engine first, get some experience, maybe modify it with extractors, carby, cam ect, then go for the whole hog later when you've finished your apprentiship, and can do a decent job of it. I'm also assuming this is your daily driver? K series engines take a mater of a few hours to change over, meanwhile 4age, sr20det ect take weeks to change over. How will you get to work? The key is to plan and organise everything, have everything ready to complete the job, set aside a weekend with a mate to do it, and some cash in case things don't work out.

Cheers, Crowie.

 

thanks crowie and i'll try to get through your questions

engineered

yes p's, but I'm a mechanic so i get exemption from normal p-plate regulations

no, no engine change experience

and yes i can + have fitter and turner mates

 

 

i'm not quick to bag out the 5k, just think an sr20 would be cooler, and where to get performance parts for a 5k, like cams extractors etc. it is my daily but i can use other transportation and i'm in the process of organising everything now, which is why i'm on here asking questions :P

thanks for All help, keep it coming!

[ke70dave]

 

yes p's, but I'm a mechanic so i get exemption from normal p-plate regulations

 

 

how does this work?

 

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you really need to work out the FINE details of each conversion you are considering doing. and decide for yourself the best one for you.

 

these details will not come from creating threads on forums, you need to dig deep into other peoples build threads, send the builders specific questions about what you have read etc.

[19914afc]

 

yes p's, but I'm a mechanic so i get exemption from normal p-plate regulations

 

 

 

Ye, I am a mechanic as well on my P's I have a exemption from QLD transport to drive high powered/V8/turbo or supercharged cars as we do have some of them that come in an have to test drive them :) always. BUT the exemption is ONLY valid through work hours as I would think yours is aswell so not much point in using that an an excuse also when the police look up who owns the car they will see that you own it and it is not a customers car.

[RainWarriorDregs]

yeah thats just dumb saying you have an exemption because you're a mechanic.

 

also performance parts for a 5k are not only easy to get, but cheap as chips too. There's a list as long as my left leg of camshaft grinders (Tighe, Crowe etc), oversized pistons and internal upgrades are easy to source and extractors are everywhere.

good luck tho man.

[Crowie55]

Ye, I am a mechanic as well on my P's I have a exemption from QLD transport to drive high powered/V8/turbo or supercharged cars as we do have some of them that come in an have to test drive them :) always. BUT the exemption is ONLY valid through work hours as I would think yours is aswell so not much point in using that an an excuse also when the police look up who owns the car they will see that you own it and it is not a customers car.

Exactly.

5K:

5k persormance parts, extractors 2k,4k,5k extractors all bolt up, can be found easily on rollaclub: http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/49838-k-motor-tube-headers/

buy a 4k for $50, unbolt head and take out the cam, send it away to get reground for $80.

Webber kit can be had for 200-300 on here regularly too.

5k will cost you 300-400.

That's around $1200 with engineers cert. ALTHOUGH you are on your P's and that means no engine conversions so no mod plate. The police will hardly ever pick up on this conversion. That will take you around 5-6 weeks to save up for unless you have no living expenses. It will take a weekend to do if you organise yourself.

 

SR:

$1000-1500 just for the engine, add inter cooler and piping (as you want to go turbocharged), Gearbox, materials for fab work, ecu, you'll also want a larger diff and tail shaft to suit, larger brakes and coil overs to comply with engineer cert and all related minor costs. Then there is the cert itself.

Your looking at 5-10g. And that is if your mates do the work for free. That's 6months of you saving 100% of your money before you get everything in order to complete the conversion, let alone do the bloody thing.

 

Conclusion:

Save for a month or so, buy a 5k mod it and put it in for chump change, have some fun, figure out what it takes to do an engine conversion. Save up while your on your P's for said SR conversion, once you're on your opens go and do it properly and legally.

 

Cheers, Crowie

[Ke30 4 350]

annnd with exemption laws it is also the only car i own and can use so that is also an exemption, and in NSW its 4 all the time yay :P !

 

it seems to me that the general agreement is to ignore the 1jz, anyone for that idea? or is it dead?? also will a 4age or a 3gse beams motor go into this chasis? has anyone done this? and this is going to be built as a road legal dirt road thrasher... so which of these would be the best for that? that means jacked up, steelies, offroad tyres etc!!

(plz don't rip me up about the dirt road thing, as driving on them is so much fun! esp sliding around corners)

[19914afc]

Just stop wasting peoples time, if you want an upgrade that you can afford as an apprentice just go a nice mild 5k it will be plenty of fun on the dirt. A sr conversion will probably cost nearly half a years wage if you are a first year, engine and gbox is about $1500, bigger diff, cost of cutting diff down and modding it, custom tailshaft, the list goes on right there is roughly 3-4k so on a first year wage with little to no experience with something like that you will be very poor saving for weeks just to buy one part and that is if you have no other expenses.

Or 4age is pretty easy as well.

 

Another thing is if that is your only car that you have so you can get your exemption how will you get to work?? as that is your only car and if you do SR you will be working on it for months, so I don't see this as practical or doable unless mummy and daddy are rich to pay for parts, ect.

[Ke30 4 350]

lol no they aren't rich and i'm not trying to waste peoples time, i'm a bit muddled up about this and i want to figure out what i want to do. you mentioned 4age... HOW MUCH FOR THAT! please coz far out I'm actually serious about this all

[Grand Master of Awesome]

can someone lock this thread, please.

[ke70dave]

for crying out loud. please do some of your own research.

 

you are going to be the one that is going to be putting all of this together, therefore you need to know exactly what you need.

 

its not as easy as saying "it costs this much". except for the exhaust, everything else required for the conversion is NOT OFF THE SHELF. thus the prices vary...alot.

 

eg: my 4age = $130 (most parts, except manifolds)

ive seen them for sale for $900+....

 

start here:

 

http://www.rollaclub.com/board/topic/5644-4age-into-ke70-ae71-conversion-the-step-by-step-noob-guide/

 

make a list of all the parts you will need, then research how much each part is likely to cost you. then when you have finished your list. double it. Thats about how much it costs.

 

(my standard 16V 4age into my ke70 cost me approximately $3000, once i added up all the costs, which i have done before and posted on rollaclub, but i can't find it)

[Crowie55]

http://www.rollaclub.com/board/forum/96-technical-builds/ Look through there mate. Almost every engine conversion has been done and WELL documented. 5k = 1g, 4age conversion is 3-4g doing all the work yourself, sr 5-10g all work yourself. Now if your going to use it as a dirt road thrash you are going to hit things, most probably write off your car in the first week you have it going, If not you'll do it the next week for certain. So why spend so much money. Unless you have previous experience with engine convo's and major mechanical tasks(not just servicing cars at your crappy dealership) then forget about sr.

[19914afc]

5k or 4age, you look up the prices!!!!!!!!!! everything is different!

[seabiscuit]

I'm doing a road legal 4AGE conversion in my KE30... I have spent over $4000 and still haven't got anywhere near all of the parts. So far I've only had the funding to collect bits to start the conversion, which I've been doing for about 1 and a half years (on apprentice wages).

I DID a 5K conversion in my KE70... I spent $800 on a second hand engine, which was decently worked (about 65kw at the treads). It was my first conversion and I did it with the help of a friend who had also never done a conversion... It took us 1 day!

 

To this day, my KE70 was the most enjoyable car I'd ever driven.

 

If you want to keep asking questions that have been answered 10 times, you'll get a rep for being the next spoon fed moron. Act like the mechanic you claim to be as it seems you don't know a lot about cars at all!

[Crowie55]

I'm doing a road legal 4AGE conversion in my KE30... I have spent over $4000 and still haven't got anywhere near all of the parts. So far I've only had the funding to collect bits to start the conversion, which I've been doing for about 1 and a half years (on apprentice wages).

I DID a 5K conversion in my KE70... I spent $800 on a second hand engine, which was decently worked (about 65kw at the treads). It was my first conversion and I did it with the help of a friend who had also never done a conversion... It took us 1 day!

 

To this day, my KE70 was the most enjoyable car I'd ever driven.

 

If you want to keep asking questions that have been answered 10 times, you'll get a rep for being the next spoon fed moron. Act like the mechanic you claim to be as it seems you don't know a lot about cars at all!

AMEN!