Will Small Block Chev Fit Ke30

[Trev]

with a welded roll cage and properly setup suspension, mine handles almost as good as my old EVO 8, other than the AYC of the E8, you have to really fight with the steering wheel and careful with the throttle, but the lsd has power there and can oversteer accordingly, tonne of fun

 

can't comment on a V8 but yes proper suspension helps alot and with trevs weight stats and a torque motor, seems plausible IMO (mythbusters, haha)

 

Well Lloyd Smith seems to be doing great with a v8 in the E7, you can't say that that car can't handle.

 

[B.L.Z.BUB]

That video makes me omit manliness fumes which only I can smell.

(If women could smell it you'd all be out of luck).

 

It creates a feeling of 'I need to blow up things'.

[Hiro Protagonist]

Seriously, wtf is it with people saying that a car with a big motor won't handle well?

 

An all alloy LS engine weighs 45kg more then an Sr20det (149kg).

 

 

 

Well Lloyd Smith seems to be doing great with a v8 in the E7, you can't say that that car can't handle.

 

The key here is the all-alloy engine.....a small block Chev (ie a Gen1, not an LT/GenII or LS/GenIII) has an iron block correct? Which would make them a fair bit heavier than an all-alloy engine.

[philbey]

Yes a small block will definitely fit mate.

You can jam anything in there man. Just have faith and the willingness to lose your money, wife and sanity :yes:

 

Below is a Ke20 with a small block in it

 

It's a small block ford though, not a chev. also know as....

...

 

... a 289ci ford windsor engine it,

a real nice fit and completely engineered. a few years ago went for a few laps

around sandown and it handled and stopped quite impressively.

 

I've seen this car as well, it's a wicked car. Sold for about 11 grand a couple of years ago. Engineered.

 

Seriously, wtf is it with people saying that a car with a big motor won't handle well?

 

No denying it will handle different. Doesn't mean it won't handle well. I agree, it's a wtf.

[Trev]

The key here is the all-alloy engine.....a small block Chev (ie a Gen1, not an LT/GenII or LS/GenIII) has an iron block correct? Which would make them a fair bit heavier than an all-alloy engine.

 

You will be surprised to know that it is only about 50 to 80kgs more, depending on engine.

[ke70dave]

i admit my comment on "it wont go around corners" was a bit uninteligent.

 

agreed anything can be made to do anything with enough suspension/tyre design.

 

trev:

 

Do you have any links/material to back up your weight claims of the engine?

 

just that claims such as "50-80kg" is a bit vague....

 

here is one i found:

 

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html

 

small block chev is quoted at 575lbs = 260kg. no idea what that includes, i assume only the engine? since it doesnt say gearbox.

 

and here is another one (no idea on reliability of these figures)

 

http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/32264-complete-engine-weights-table/

 

toyota 1UZ-FE + R154 mission 486lbs = 220kg

 

SR20DET Complete

+ Five Speed 490lbs (source Sport Compact Car)= 222kg

 

the fact that the 1uz was quoted less than the sr is interesting, turbo stuff musnt be light. when i pulled the turbo off my SR it didnt seem that heavy....

 

so we have:

 

small block chev without gearbox (i think) is 260kg (add say 40kg for a gearbox/clutch to handle that power) = 300ish kg.

sr20det = 222kg

1uzfe= 220kg

 

and what does a K motor weigh, 80kg for engine and gearbox maybe?

 

I'm not saying that the chev engine can't be made to work, but the only real reason to use one is to say "i have a chev engine in my corolla", which is a valid reason i must admit, but in my oppinion there are far better alternatives out there that will get you going alot better for the effort of such an engine conversion.

 

also, that video of the green/blue ae71 with the 1uz, i agree that is an amazing machine, and appears to work well. would be intesting to see how it does trying not to drift, using all the tyre to keep it on the road. especially on like a long sweeping corner, with bumps mid corner, see how the suspension handles the extra weight being thrown around by the bumps. I'm sure you could design it out, but it would require a fair bit of development.

 

edit:

 

here are some more engine weights:

 

http://www.35pickup.com/mulligan/weight.txt

 

interesting reading through, its quite american....

 

Amazing how light the rotarys are!

 

edit2:

 

this bloke reckons his sr20det + transmission weighs 204kg (450lb)

 

http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/12325-sr20det-weight/

Edited March 2, 2011 by ke70dave

[Guest pmp16]

Has anyone seen the green ke30 wagon at piwercruise and on YouTube .. Not quiet sure but think it's got a 253 or 308 and it's an animal .. Awesome around corner sideways at 80km also holds good goin gutter to gutter down main straight at 80km , straight line it handles A1 ..

 

Anyone that wants to see I can't post links due to using

mobile to go on intenet but type in v8 corolla wagon into YouTube search and browse .. I'm sure it will change all the ppls mind that doubt heavy engine in light car ...

 

Seen this thing in person at powercruise and it is wicked from what I seen from

other light car with big turbos I'd much rather a v8 in one due to driveability ... But yeah very expensive project like they all are

[BUZ440]

That would be OKE 355, new owner has it I have heard, and yes between the pulleys and the blower is one tuff cookie,

 

nice car all round

Edited March 3, 2011 by NISROLA

[Guest pmp16]

Yeah that's it .. It's one awesome car and for everyone saying about how much weight in front of a small

car n it won't handle I thunk u should see hiw this thing goes and it's not just a drift setup like the ke70 in previous post ..

[ke70dave]

 

.... Awesome around corner sideways at 80km also holds good goin gutter to gutter down main straight at 80km , straight line it handles A1 ..

 

i sure hope it handles "A1" in a straight line. not much required for that!

 

lets see how it goes going around the same corner at 140km/h NOT sideways.

 

no doubt its an awesome car for its purpose (doin burnouts around QR at powercruise), but get the same amount of power with say a rotary engine (alot lighter, and (more importantly) alot lower centre of gravity) and i dare say that V8 thing wont stand a chance.

[Guest pmp16]

Haha 140kms around corner let's see a v8 supercar go that fast around most corners or any rear wheel drive puttin out decent power .. Now u just being stupid mate let's be realistic here bud !!!!!!

 

I wAnna see hiw many cars ( not 4wd ) that will go 140km around most corners I'm

sure ur ke70 or most cars including rotories, turbos , V8s ETC won't beable to Unless it's full set up track car then might be able

 

Yeah sure a rotor could put out same power but let's see a rotor get driven like most v8s do I'm sure ya rotor would get rebuilt couple times before anyother engine ......

 

Ur forgetting ur statement few posts back mate remember a v8 won't turn in such small car ...

Edited March 3, 2011 by pmp16

[KEI069]

The bloke that built that wagon is a champ, and owned more corollas than anyone, most of which have had engine conversions. Holden V6 in a few and the engine in that wagon is a 308 with a trimatic. It is an awesome piece of work and it did fit very well from memory no firewall mods

Built to drift and have some fun

Watch for his next effort, VG30det

[Trev]

Oh dear, this thread really is full of misinformation isn't it.

 

i admit my comment on "it wont go around corners" was a bit uninteligent.

 

agreed anything can be made to do anything with enough suspension/tyre design.

 

trev:

 

Do you have any links/material to back up your weight claims of the engine?

 

just that claims such as "50-80kg" is a bit vague....

 

here is one i found:

 

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html

 

small block chev is quoted at 575lbs = 260kg. no idea what that includes, i assume only the engine? since it doesnt say gearbox.

 

and here is another one (no idea on reliability of these figures)

 

http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/32264-complete-engine-weights-table/

 

toyota 1UZ-FE + R154 mission 486lbs = 220kg

 

SR20DET Complete

+ Five Speed 490lbs (source Sport Compact Car)= 222kg

 

the fact that the 1uz was quoted less than the sr is interesting, turbo stuff musnt be light. when i pulled the turbo off my SR it didnt seem that heavy....

 

so we have:

 

small block chev without gearbox (i think) is 260kg (add say 40kg for a gearbox/clutch to handle that power) = 300ish kg.

sr20det = 222kg

1uzfe= 220kg

 

and what does a K motor weigh, 80kg for engine and gearbox maybe?

 

I'm not saying that the chev engine can't be made to work, but the only real reason to use one is to say "i have a chev engine in my corolla", which is a valid reason i must admit, but in my oppinion there are far better alternatives out there that will get you going alot better for the effort of such an engine conversion.

 

also, that video of the green/blue ae71 with the 1uz, i agree that is an amazing machine, and appears to work well. would be intesting to see how it does trying not to drift, using all the tyre to keep it on the road. especially on like a long sweeping corner, with bumps mid corner, see how the suspension handles the extra weight being thrown around by the bumps. I'm sure you could design it out, but it would require a fair bit of development.

 

edit:

 

here are some more engine weights:

 

http://www.35pickup.com/mulligan/weight.txt

 

interesting reading through, its quite american....

 

Amazing how light the rotarys are!

 

edit2:

 

this bloke reckons his sr20det + transmission weighs 204kg (450lb)

 

http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/12325-sr20det-weight/

 

50 - 80kg comes from the fact that the late model cast chevs have a thin wall design to lower the weight of the engine, later model chevs also have some aluminium parts in place of earlier cast items.

 

I don't need to back it up as you just did, the ls1 weighs around 194kgs, add 50 - 80kgs and what do you get?

 

Yes, 260kg, what a surprise.

 

So you are saying that the SR20det + 5 speed is only 25 kgs lighter then the ls1 + T56, well that is even better.

 

I thought that the posted engine weight on here for a 4k + gearbox was 110 or 120kgs.

 

No, you have a chev for the fact that they are cheaper and easier to get power out of then building a 4 banger and the power delivery is a lot better.

 

The extra weight in Lloyd's car?

 

By your weights the 1uz is lighter then the SR and doesn't the SR handle pretty good in an E7 as a circuit racer?

 

i sure hope it handles "A1" in a straight line. not much required for that!

 

lets see how it goes going around the same corner at 140km/h NOT sideways.

 

no doubt its an awesome car for its purpose (doin burnouts around QR at powercruise), but get the same amount of power with say a rotary engine (alot lighter, and (more importantly) alot lower centre of gravity) and i dare say that V8 thing wont stand a chance.

 

Try driving a car in a straight line that makes a lot of power and see where you stand on that comment.

 

Ok so if you took the motor and box out and replaced it with a 13bt (plus box) making the same amount of power then you think it will handle better?

 

Look at the rear tyres, no matter what it weighs up front the car still isn't going to like to corner.

 

Just for something extra, these are some of my cousins projects that we have been working on:

 

LS1 into 300zx, we must have just thrown the engine in because it was an LS (all sold now).

 

350 chev into 300zx, all cast 4 bolt.

 

Maybe look into things a little bit better.

Edited March 3, 2011 by Trev

[kpope18]

jeez all i wanted to know is if it will fit y do u think i asked so i can look into it

[Trev]

jeez all i wanted to know is if it will fit y do u think i asked so i can look into it

 

Yeah man it will, best thing to do is remove the x-members and slide the motor and box into the car so you can see how much tunnel and firewall you need to cut, once it is cut you can work out the mounts.

 

Where are you located?