Japanese Counting

[Trev]

I was recently pointed out by toy-yoda of a mistake of the number 82 being hachi jyu, I have recently changed that to hachi ni as 8 = hachi and 2 = ni and 86 owners say that 86 = hachi roku.

 

Last night I was doing some web browsing on japanese counting and found that hachi juu (ju) is 8 - 10 which is actually 80 and in japanese counting a 2 digit number actually combines 3 words (alot like german), so really 82 and 86 is the following:

 

82 = hachijuuni (8 0 2)

 

86 = hachijuuroku (8 0 6)

 

And for the 71 owners: nanajuuichi

 

This probably isn't really important and most of you won't care but meh.

[xmoht]

I don't know if I'm interpreting you correctly, but I think its hachi roku because they aren't saying eighty six, they're saying eight six.

[Redwarf]

I know where Trev is coming from. The uneducated (say..... anyone who thinks drifting is a sport) would believe that hachi roku means eighty six, whereas the actual translation is "eight six". Now, in Toyota's eyes they look at it as A-series, E- Corolla, 8th generation, 6 for..... well whatever they wanted six to mean. Therefore eight and six are still valid.

 

Thus its not a KE twenty five, but a two five. Second generation, 5: fastback/ coupe.

 

I've now thought far too much about this. :fuzz:

[xmoht]

I know where Trev is coming from. The uneducated (say..... anyone who thinks drifting is a sport) would believe that hachi roku means eighty six, whereas the actual translation is "eight six". Now, in Toyota's eyes they look at it as A-series, E- Corolla, 8th generation, 6 for..... well whatever they wanted six to mean. Therefore eight and six are still valid.

 

Thus its not a KE twenty five, but a two five. Second generation, 5: fastback/ coupe.

 

I've now thought far too much about this. :fuzz:

 

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Though can you elaborate on why you think drifting is not a sport? Unless you don't count figure skating or anything like that as sports either in which case I can see your perspective.

[Trev]

I don't know if I'm interpreting you correctly, but I think its hachi roku because they aren't saying eighty six, they're saying eight six.

 

 

I know where Trev is coming from. The uneducated (say..... anyone who thinks drifting is a sport) would believe that hachi roku means eighty six, whereas the actual translation is "eight six". Now, in Toyota's eyes they look at it as A-series, E- Corolla, 8th generation, 6 for..... well whatever they wanted six to mean. Therefore eight and six are still valid.

 

Thus its not a KE twenty five, but a two five. Second generation, 5: fastback/ coupe.

 

I've now thought far too much about this. :fuzz:

 

Yeah it is ok when you say I have an eight six corolla but an A E eighty six is not hachi roku.

[xmoht]

Yeah it is ok when you say I have an eight six corolla but an A E eighty six is not hachi roku.

 

How does that make sense? Who says "I have an AEHachiroku"? They're just multiple ways of interpreting the same thing, a two letter two digit code.

[Trev]

How does that make sense? Who says "I have an AEHachiroku"? They're just multiple ways of interpreting the same thing, a two letter two digit code.

 

I am saying that AE86 is AE hachijuuroku and not entirely AE hachi roku.

 

Think about how you say AE86, do you say AE 80 6 or AE 8 6?

[xmoht]

I am saying that AE86 is AE hachijuuroku and not entirely AE hachi roku.

 

Think about how you say AE86, do you say AE 80 6 or AE 8 6?

 

I say A E eighty six yes. No one says A E hachiroku though, which is what you seem to be implying. In Japan from what I gather they say A E eight six, so it makes sense. If I were an Australian who thought everything JDM was superior including its language, then I would be saying A E hachi roku, but then that would trump my Australian tendency to say A E eighty six.

 

Ergo only a moron who is caught between two cultures would require AEhachijuuroku. Quite frankly, if you're stupid enough to constantly mix cultural slang, then it probably doesn't matter what is technically correct linguistically as you're no doubt already slaughtering language as it is.

[ke70dave]

just remember that the japanese lanugage is totally different structre than english,

 

so if you are trying to mix the two together then its going to be difficult.

 

and either way, ive heard japanese guys talking in japanese on drifting videos, and they always say "hachi roku" so thats good enough for me:P

 

english language is a bit silly, since ae86 isnt actually "A E eighty six" its "A E eight six"

 

(as redwarf sais its an acronym where the 8 and 6 mean differnet things)

 

but us english speakers have converted the "eight" and "six" into "eighty six", i reckon because its easier to say...and possibly because thats how we say "86"...."eighty six" (86 being the number after 85, not seperate eight and six)

 

and just for fun....

 

eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6 eighty six 8 6 eight six 8 6eighty six...seven

[Trev]

I say A E eighty six yes. No one says A E hachiroku though, which is what you seem to be implying. In Japan from what I gather they say A E eight six, so it makes sense. If I were an Australian who thought everything JDM was superior including its language, then I would be saying A E hachi roku, but then that would trump my Australian tendency to say A E eighty six.

 

Ergo only a moron who is caught between two cultures would require AEhachijuuroku. Quite frankly, if you're stupid enough to constantly mix cultural slang, then it probably doesn't matter what is technically correct linguistically as you're no doubt already slaughtering language as it is.

 

For f@$k sake you idiot, do you see me saying that my car is an hachijuuni?

 

I am saying that the number 86 is actually hachijuuroku, did you read my 1st post at all?

 

I was recently pointed out by toy-yoda of a mistake of the number 82 being hachi jyu, I have recently changed that to hachi ni as 8 = hachi and 2 = ni and 86 owners say that 86 = hachi roku.

 

I am also referring to people saying that the actual number 86 (eighty six) is hachi roku when it is infact hachijuuroku like here for instance:

 

http://home.exetel.com.au/seasalt/corollatrivia.html

 

Japanese Name:

 

Hachi Jyu -82

 

Hachi Roku - 86

 

Which he got the 82 part incorrect to start with.

 

The end of my post also has "This probably isn't really important and most of you won't care but meh." so instead of calling me a moron build a bridge.

[Redwarf]

It funny, I looked at it as a perspective thing. With languages and translation there is often no right or wrong, but what the individual perceives it to be.

 

Maybe I'm just strange.

 

as for drifting, I cannot see anythng that's judged on "style' as being sport. Particularly motorsport. It's entertainment, not sport. Notice I'm not saying anything derogatory about the drivers themselves, as I do hold a couple of them in quite high regard. It takes talent, but it's not sport.

 

Then again, I've been competing in motorsport longer than some on this board have been alive for, so I'm a bit old school.

Edited August 13, 2010 by Redwarf

[Trev]

This is my point exactly:

 

The uneducated would believe that hachi roku means eighty six, whereas the actual translation is "eight six".

 

I always thought that 86 was just hachi roku.

[xmoht]

For f@$k sake you idiot, do you see me saying that my car is an hachijuuni?

 

I am saying that the number 86 is actually hachijuuroku, did you read my 1st post at all?

 

 

 

I am also referring to people saying that the actual number 86 (eighty six) is hachi roku when it is infact hachijuuroku like here for instance:

 

http://home.exetel.com.au/seasalt/corollatrivia.html

 

 

 

Which he got the 82 part incorrect to start with.

 

The end of my post also has "This probably isn't really important and most of you won't care but meh." so instead of calling me a moron build a bridge.

 

I'm sorry, I wasn't calling you a moron. Obviously you are the complete opposite as you looked into it in the first place. I meant anyone who would do what you are saying they do is a moron, I suppose I missed the point as I don't think I know anyone who has done what you say they have done.

 

I'm not exercising my trolling here by the way just trying to clarify. If someone says AE86 translates to Hachi Roku in Japanese, there are correct as I see it. As made somewhat evident by ke70dave, you aren't directly translating one thing to another. As I was saying before, while I may saying eighty six as that's how I as an Australian interpret the code, someone in Japan interprets them as individual digits. Therefore in Japanese 86 is hachi roku when in the context of a code.

 

Again, I'm certainly not calling you a moron and I can see where you're coming from, but can you see where I am coming from?

[Trev]

I'm not exercising my trolling here by the way just trying to clarify. If someone says AE86 translates to Hachi Roku in Japanese, there are correct as I see it. As made somewhat evident by ke70dave, you aren't directly translating one thing to another. As I was saying before, while I may saying eighty six as that's how I as an Australian interpret the code, someone in Japan interprets them as individual digits. Therefore in Japanese 86 is hachi roku when in the context of a code.

 

Correct which is why I said:

 

86 owners say that 86 = hachi roku.

 

I made this thread to point out the difference in 8 6 and 80 6, not to tell people that calling there sprinter a hachi roku is wrong.

[white_sandshoe]

The real doozy here is actually the english of 86, not the japanese...

 

Eight. 8 and Ten. 10

 

Eight - Ten

 

Which, over generations... gets shortened, and kinda slang...

 

Eight-Te (I blame the irish/scottish for that one.)

 

and further...

 

Eightte

 

and still more...

 

Eighte.

 

Which, someone decides doesn't look right, so we finally have...

 

Eighty...

 

 

 

And who cares? I don't. I'm just mentioning it.