towe001 Posted June 1, 2009 Report Posted June 1, 2009 white_sandshoe said: At the moment I think I'll stick with the BEAMS engine, but will still be doing a little research into the 2LTE turbo diesel... :bash: I think the diesel would the go. Plug in LPG and get a rebate from the government Bit of a shame you can only go up to a maximum 2.4Lt turbo but you could see if you can push it with the 2KD-FTV (2.5Lt turbo), 325Nm between 1600-3600rpm of 16valve intercooled turbo power Quote
machg Posted June 1, 2009 Report Posted June 1, 2009 Remember the "Hot" Holden Calibra? All wheel drive, Turbo, 150 ish kW? Would go O.K. with one of those. Nah, just go an Aurion V6, Mmmmm 200 killer wasps. Quote
MYSTIK[RL] Posted June 1, 2009 Report Posted June 1, 2009 machg said: Remember the "Hot" Holden Calibra? All wheel drive, Turbo, 150 ish kW? Would go O.K. with one of those. they were also an fwd/awd configuration, so not sure if the c20let was ever in a rwd setup :bash: but my suggestion is to use the 2.6 out of a rodeo :y: Quote
untubbed_20 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) OniBerserker said: yeah piazza turbo's had 104kw stock :bash: :y: beams or s2000 motor Yeh but with a bit more boost and exhaust, they make 220ish hp, seen plenty run mid to low 13's over the yrs with just those mods. To fit the 2.6 rodeo motor, you need the piazza sump and pickup, my brother has a g180 turbo gem that runs mid 11's on streeters and pump fuel with a little garret 2860 , can't wait to see what it does now with the gt30 he's fitting cheers darren Edited June 6, 2009 by untubbed_20 Quote
KE70-from-mt-panorama Posted June 8, 2009 Report Posted June 8, 2009 white_sandshoe said: How the heck was your mate getting 300hp out of a 186? boosted right? I love the thought of boosting an old holden actually. I thought about doing one of those crappy starfire engines that came in the last of the toranas, and just trying to force like 45psi into it until it popped. In all honesty, I'd probably go for a CA before I turned to an SR, not so much to be difficult, but more to be different. I do prefer to do things a little unexpected and unusual. Maybe even like a 22R or something? sometimes i think there are just too many options... lol It is naturally aspirated. It has a duggan head, motec fuel injection, 60thou oversize, using a 202 crank modded to suit the 186 crank journals, knife edged crank, etc etc....so in short. the motor has had more money spent on it than any red motor should have spent on it. Quote
the witzl Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 3RZ-FE. Then turbo it. But since this thread is all about pipe dreams and fairy tits...... 1GZ-FE. Quote
LittleRedSpirit Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Enough c4 to blow it to shrapnell. I Kid I kid. My mate has a CA in a TG thats pretty nuts. Quote
white_sandshoe Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Posted June 9, 2009 the witzl said: 3RZ-FE. Then turbo it. But since this thread is all about pipe dreams and fairy tits...... 1GZ-FE. Not pipe dreams... Fairy tits?... maybe... Basically, I'm currently building up a 3TGTE with a TDO6 to go into one of my TE72's with RA60 aftermarket coilovers, adjustable camber tops, Sigma lower control arms, Hilux diff, monster intercooler, external wastegate, electronic ignition with individual coil-packs (while keeping the twin spark... yes, it'll look SICK!), a load of body mods, custom inlet plenum, 3 inch turbo back exhaust (with a 6 inch cannon) rolling on 15 inch rims with some nice 205's on the front and 225's on the rear. I'll enjoy that for a while and then sell it off to fund the engine purchase for the TC gemini coupe. I've already got another 3TGTE sitting there that I could rebuild too, but i figured it'd be so much prettier to drop a BEAMS into it... or wilder to drop a turbo diesel in... Basically the aim is to be street legal, and rather different... something that'll blow people's hair back when they pop the hood, and blow it off completely when they find out it's home garage built... (or when i take them for a quick lap around the block...) Again, Street Legalities are a MUST... And I don't have patience for long engineering processes... I know what the maximum limits are for engine capacity without paying hand over fist for engineers to sign off, so I'd like to stay within those limits. I've already got VN Commodore disks on all four corners, Falcon break booster (which bolts straight on... how considerate.) and upgraded piping, so the brakes side is sorted. Diff might end up being swapped over depending on the power, but really, provided my choice of engine doesn't deviate from the basic limitations, it's all well and good in the world, and any engineer who is worth my mulah will have no issues signing off on the selected engine. A 5L V12??? now that would present some problems... Oh, and the C4 idea? I actually quite like the thought... I might have to buy a commodore... Quote
the witzl Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Why not seriously consider the 3RZ-FE? Its the 2.7L hilux engine - they are fkn bulletproof inside, and are proven monster engines with a turbo attached. Torque x eleventybillion. I do love the old Toyota 8valve twincam engines, and am good friends with JMR (yellorolla on Toymods) who has built my 18RGTE. I've seen what he can do with a 3TGTE.... but you just can't deny the unfair advantage of using a late model big block 4 cylinder like the RZ series. So what's the maximum capacity you can go in the gemmi? Maybe the smaller 2RZ-FE might be an option? They are a LOT cheaper than a beams 3SGE, so you will be able to spend more money on bigger and badder mods to the RZ engine with the money saved. I know which path i would take. Quote
towe001 Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 white_sandshoe said: Any wild ideas welcome, but please bare in mind, I want to get it street legal, so the max capacity I can go (due to weight, under WA licencing mod laws) is 2.4L for turbo, 3.5 for NA, and the engine bay is kinda rather short... lol the witzl said: So what's the maximum capacity you can go in the gemmi? Maybe the smaller 2RZ-FE might be an option? Which might just be pushing it a bit even with the 2rz if it was turbo'd Quote
the witzl Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 so what is the exact registered weight of the gemini? the actual capacity of the 2RZ-FE is 2438cc.... so might be a tad over the limit, depending on the original weight of the gemini. So if you are thinking NA... then perhaps a V6 would be an option? They are shorter than a big 4 cylinder, but wider of course..... maybe a 3VZ-FE, or maybe even a 1MZ-FE (will require a fair few mods tho). 3SGTE is also cool. Quote
white_sandshoe Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Posted June 11, 2009 the witzl said: so what is the exact registered weight of the gemini?the actual capacity of the 2RZ-FE is 2438cc.... so might be a tad over the limit, depending on the original weight of the gemini. So if you are thinking NA... then perhaps a V6 would be an option? They are shorter than a big 4 cylinder, but wider of course..... maybe a 3VZ-FE, or maybe even a 1MZ-FE (will require a fair few mods tho). 3SGTE is also cool. Spitting chips actually that mine is the coupe... If it was a two door sedan, I'd have been able to go with a 2.5L due to the extra few kgs, and I'd have gone straight for a 1JZ, but alas... Actually, the 2RZ-FE would be well within limits by about 40cc. lol I did think about V6, but, well... i gotta admit... I have a major aversion to what is pretty much two 3 cylendar engines tacked together. (yes, i know... it's my V6ism coming out...) plus if I do go V6, and it's something other than a Buick... hmmm... well, as I said, i want it to be something that really really stands out from the crowd. Here's a question then... would it be sweeter to have a NA BEAMS with individual throttle bodies and extractors and stuff, or a BEAMS Turbo engine...? Quote
Hiro Protagonist Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 white_sandshoe said: Spitting chips actually that mine is the coupe... If it was a two door sedan, I'd have been able to go with a 2.5L due to the extra few kgs In NSW at least, the weight is based off the heaviest sedan variant, so you might still be OK. Quote Here's a question then... would it be sweeter to have a NA BEAMS with individual throttle bodies and extractors and stuff, or a BEAMS Turbo engine...? Either. Anything with BEAMS in it done well is awesome Quote
machg Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Another idea: The 3.2L V6 out of late model Vectra's seems a nice engine, or a 3.2L V6 out of a Rodeo. Both engines would be better than a commonwhore V6. Quote
trav_555 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 Xr6t engine :y: I'm acually really starting to like the newish falcons.... and I'm a holden man!! not the brand new falcon though Travis Quote
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