Vicroads - 2tg Into Ke30

[never]

So vicroads doesn't seem to care that the ke30 came out with a 2t in other markets. If it wasnt an option here it does not qualify as just an amendment to your rego. All evidence points towards requiring an engineers report. Anyone else managed to get their rego papers changed to include a similar conversion? My car already had a 5k in it which was on the papers so I naively thought that going from a 1500cc 4 cyl to a 1600 4 cyl would be no problem...

 

Feel free to pm me if you don't wanna post up here

[dfunkt]

there's a great "discussion" about getting a 4age into an ae86. that would be a good read for you.

 

but quickly, if the car wasn't sold in aus with that engine, it's almost always needing an engineers certificate.

 

moving around in series of engines is a grey area (some say 10% size increase, others 10% power increase).

 

but you can usually get away with having a 5k in a 3k car cos it's the same series and you don't need to modify anything to do it.

 

so, yes, you will need an engineers cert putting a T engine in place of a K engine.

 

man this post was all over the place, sorry.

 

i'll try and find parrot's post.

 

dF

 

 

do you have access to toymods???

 

http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31457

Edited May 21, 2009 by dfunkt

[never]

Yeah I got toymods so I will check that out.

 

Was so hoping to avoid engineering.

[parrot]

You're out of luck. As we never got a TE37 here, it will need to be engineered.

 

Same goes for me when I finish my TE27, and when I finally get around to the last two jobs on my AE86.

 

You could make engineering easier by sourcing a TE37 crossmember, not sure if Sept Squall still has his?

 

I have taken some comparo photos of my TE27 crossmember and KE25 crossmember which I shall post up for general interest when I get a moment.

Edited May 22, 2009 by parrot

[TE278U]

technically just having the 13x7's on your car needs to be engineered as they are wider than standard, and have no doubt increased the vehicle track.

 

the car should be reasonably easy to engineer as you're doing a proper job not a dodgy.

 

they will look at the overall package and probably want a brake upgrade to match the vehicle that the engine was out of or better.

 

at least if your car is pre '74, you won't need to comply with the stricter emissions regulations.

 

good luck.

 

-Dave

[kangaroosa]

technically just having the 13x7's on your car needs to be engineered as they are wider than standard, and have no doubt increased the vehicle track.

 

the car should be reasonably easy to engineer as you're doing a proper job not a dodgy.

 

they will look at the overall package and probably want a brake upgrade to match the vehicle that the engine was out of or better.

 

at least if your car is pre '74, you won't need to comply with the stricter emissions regulations.

 

good luck.

 

-Dave

 

Stricter? My '74 KE30 needs to be under 500ppmHC. So far with an extend port and DCOE it came in at 1100ppm. With a standard 12a it measured in at 1000ppm.

Stock carby is my next step......but trying to get it to run on E85 is proving a challenge in itself.

Failing that, i'll have to put a Cat on it.

 

If your planning on engineering an engine into your car, make sure you engineer a stock engine to give yourself the best chance possible of passing.

 

As for the 2T it will most definately have to be engineered. If theres any welding of engine mounts etc then it automatically requires VASS approval.

Edited May 22, 2009 by kangaroosa

[parrot]

For the benefit of those not active on Toymods, I have pasted the guts of the thread here:

 

Although this reflects the situation in Victoria, i would be surprised if the situation was much different in other states.

 

After seeing the same question a thousand times, I wrote to Vicroads explaining my specific situation in detail, vis that I had installed a 16 valve bigport 4AGE into my ADM delivered AE86. Along with the engine change, I explained that I had also changed over essentially every other part of the car to that fitted in an overseas spec 4AGE engined car, suspension, brakes, fuel system, emissions etc etc.

 

I explained that I had looked in detail through Vehicle Standards Information (VSI) 8, Guide to Modifications for Motor Vehicles, and been unable to find specific reference to installing an engine available in this vehicle overseas, although ADR's are much mentioned.

 

To cut a long story short, the answer is YES, if you put a 4AGE of ANY TYPE into an AE86 it requires an engineers certificate to be road legal in Victoria. Obviously this also applies to 2TG's into earlier Corolla's and Celica's, 18RG's etc etc? And of course 4AGE's into xE70/71's and no doubt lots of other Toyota models I know nothing about.

 

The letter from Vicroads is attached and self explanatory. The highlighting was done by me.

 

 

Whilst looking through the vicroads website for something else last week, I also found this which essentially says the same thing.

 

"Notifying VicRoads of changes and modifications to vehicles

 

Change of Engine

1. Replacement engine is identical to the original engine, or is an option allowed by the manufacturer for the same model vehicle

The optional engine must be offered in Australia by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle (or certified variants). The change of engine may be recorded by VicRoads provided that the registered operator or a motor mechanic, or dealer in that make of vehicle or an Automotive Engineer signs a declaration certifying the engine is optional for the vehicle model, and that all modifications made by the manufacturer for the same vehicle model with that optional engine, have been completed."

 

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used

You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form [PDF 24kb] and provide VicRoads with:

 

* a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory

* an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine

 

The only way around this is if someone is able to get documentary proof that Toyota did actually bring in a quantity of 4AGE engined AE86's at some stage as often rumoured though never categorically proven.

 

The point of the above is that if your vehicle was available through the dealer network IN AUSTRALIA with a given engine, then it has been through ADR's and is thus registerable as is.

 

If not, then it needs an engineers report.

 

It depends on whether you want to do it entirely legally, or just what gets it on the road. For the sake of not much money, for the piece of mind, mine will be engineered.

 

What you decide to do is up to you. At least Vicroads position is very clear.

 

Mr Moparman noted "as others have said, as long as the engine looks similar to the previous engine and isnt stolen, its easy to fly by under vicroads noses.. the problem is if you have an accident and your insurance company turns round and say get lost, you didnt comply with vicroads legislation. it wouldnt matter if a vicorads person passed it.. if it doesnt comply with legislation, your stuffed."