1uzfe Into Ke70 Panelvan

[slliws]

ok, for staters ive had this 1982 KE70 panelvan sitting in the olds backyard for a year and a bit.

 

i was origianally thinking about the usual 4age conversion, but then i started thinking about a v8, because seriously who wouldnt like to be able to say they drive a ke70 V8, that is if you don't get the understeer etc issues.

 

so as far as i can see the main issue with the v8 is having to put it too far over the front wheels, without major firewall mods. so heres the question, how much weight would be needed in the back to even it up and handle half decent???... the panelvan weighs 150kg more than the sedan so that has to help, cos the front end on both is the exact same so the extra weight mush be over the back yes?

 

I'm also planing on putting a 4-link air bagged rear suspension setup in it. and this i can modify to weigh a little more or a little less. (I'm actually a qualified boilermaker so ill be building it myself.)

 

so, so far we have the 150kg of the panelvan and somewhere between 20 and 50kg for the rear suspension, oh yeah a stainless drop-tank will be in there as well.

 

any ideas, thoughts, on how this might work? I'm keen to get into it soon (as summer is coming up) but i don't want to be starting something thaat i will just hate to drive except for standstills in the driveway.

[gr33nm0nk3y]

ok, for staters ive had this 1982 KE70 panelvan sitting in the olds backyard for a year and a bit.

 

i was origianally thinking about the usual 4age conversion, but then i started thinking about a v8, because seriously who wouldnt like to be able to say they drive a ke70 V8, that is if you don't get the understeer etc issues.

 

so as far as i can see the main issue with the v8 is having to put it too far over the front wheels, without major firewall mods. so heres the question, how much weight would be needed in the back to even it up and handle half decent???... the panelvan weighs 150kg more than the sedan so that has to help, cos the front end on both is the exact same so the extra weight mush be over the back yes?

 

I'm also planing on putting a 4-link air bagged rear suspension setup in it. and this i can modify to weigh a little more or a little less. (I'm actually a qualified boilermaker so ill be building it myself.)

 

so, so far we have the 150kg of the panelvan and somewhere between 20 and 50kg for the rear suspension, oh yeah a stainless drop-tank will be in there as well.

 

any ideas, thoughts, on how this might work? I'm keen to get into it soon (as summer is coming up) but i don't want to be starting something thaat i will just hate to drive except for standstills in the driveway.

 

heavier springs.. swaybars etc etc.. put mtr as far back as possible.. go to weigh bridge and get front and rear weights, install steel plates into the floor section at the very rear.. *cough* youd have a v8, whats a little bit of steel :)

 

i have a pv chopped the roof off and was going to run a 4link from a sedan in it (was just going to cut the floor out and weld the whole section in so i get the links sitting in the right spot without too much *** around KISS and all that.. but if you had the desire/money, ive seen a few equal length sprinter 4link kits running around I'm sure you could weld on the mounts easy as just gotta have it all square (shouldnt be hard for a tradey)

 

bags would look ace..

 

I'm almost a BMW, 3rd year and 3/4's hah.. i can smell the finish line :D

 

cheers and good luck

-bc

[beerhead]

The only place you will be able to drive such a car is on the racetrack or the drags, It's illegal to convert to 4 Link, as you have to cut the existing structure at the rear. Also the motor is too big too large to compliance in such a small car.

 

 

ok, for staters ive had this 1982 KE70 panelvan sitting in the olds backyard for a year and a bit.

 

i was origianally thinking about the usual 4age conversion, but then i started thinking about a v8, because seriously who wouldnt like to be able to say they drive a ke70 V8, that is if you don't get the understeer etc issues.

 

so as far as i can see the main issue with the v8 is having to put it too far over the front wheels, without major firewall mods. so heres the question, how much weight would be needed in the back to even it up and handle half decent???... the panelvan weighs 150kg more than the sedan so that has to help, cos the front end on both is the exact same so the extra weight mush be over the back yes?

 

I'm also planing on putting a 4-link air bagged rear suspension setup in it. and this i can modify to weigh a little more or a little less. (I'm actually a qualified boilermaker so ill be building it myself.)

 

so, so far we have the 150kg of the panelvan and somewhere between 20 and 50kg for the rear suspension, oh yeah a stainless drop-tank will be in there as well.

 

any ideas, thoughts, on how this might work? I'm keen to get into it soon (as summer is coming up) but i don't want to be starting something thaat i will just hate to drive except for standstills in the driveway.

[tdg61]

The only place you will be able to drive such a car is on the racetrack or the drags, It's illegal to convert to 4 Link, as you have to cut the existing structure at the rear. Also the motor is too big too large to compliance in such a small car.

 

 

A v8 in a ke70 may be a viable proposition, if you can convince an engineer that your car weighs more than a thousand kilo's, which it probably comes close to. However it would have to stay naturally asperated. I think if consider the weight factor, the engineering involved and the fact you could extract more power out of 4agte, I'd say its not worth the hassle.

[Jono]

i thought the panelvans weighed less than the sedans?

[dvk-kp]

man your guys laws suck! over here (NZ) if you can get it in it can be legal. anyway i say go for the v8... they sound cool!

[slliws]

as far as i know the rules for engine conversions are nothing older than the car and 4 times the sticker weight of the car for your cc's.

 

the sticker on it now says 1000kg exactly so i can put up to 4 litres.

 

i wont be thinking about turbos or superchargers so i should be able to get it past an engineer.

 

one of my mates works for air ride technologies in melbourne and they put 4-link kits in cars all the time, don't need to modify the chassis unlesss you are notching it which luckily enough all ke corollas come with a small notch already. I'm pretty sure i can get it to sit the spare wheel on the ground without any chassis work and using the original front leaf mounts to work off plus an extra tubular crossmember welded in for the other 2 links.

 

I'm not worried about the work, i know its gonna be a hell of a lot, the whole floor will come out first then ill pretty much be rebuilding everything from the floor down (besides the rails).

 

but if i get the extra weight in the back it will at least hanlde some kind of reasonable wont it?

 

another thought is making it IRS. not hard with a 4 link.

[oh what a nissan feeling!]

It's illegal to convert to 4 Link, as you have to cut the existing structure at the rear.

 

Not entirely true brad, it is possible to engineer a 4 link in QLD atm, as well as mini tubs,

 

you just have to be very careful and informed about what you cut.

 

 

 

the sticker on it now says 1000kg exactly so i can put up to 4 litres.

 

i wont be thinking about turbos or superchargers so i should be able to get it past an engineer.

 

 

Wrong :jamie:

 

A vehicle has to weigh over 1100kgs to fit the rule you are using.

 

Try weight of vehicle x3 for na or 2.5 for forced.

 

You are allowed a 3.0 nothing more.....

[towe001]

Isn't there two sets of rules with the engine capacity - one for a unibody construction (which the rolla is) and a second one for a car that uses chassis rails (eg sukuzi serria, hi-lux etc) which uses a higher multiplication thingy whats it

[beerhead]

OK, thats awesome. So that means a S13 rear IRS cradle might be legal too if done right. Easier to do than the 4 link to from what I've heard aswell.

 

 

Not entirely true brad, it is possible to engineer a 4 link in QLD atm, as well as mini tubs,

 

you just have to be very careful and informed about what you cut.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong :jamie:

 

A vehicle has to weigh over 1100kgs to fit the rule you are using.

 

Try weight of vehicle x3 for na or 2.5 for forced.

 

You are allowed a 3.0 nothing more.....

[oh what a nissan feeling!]

Isn't there two sets of rules with the engine capacity - one for a unibody construction (which the rolla is) and a second one for a car that uses chassis rails (eg sukuzi serria, hi-lux etc) which uses a higher multiplication thingy whats it

 

There are 3 main sets of rules.

 

Under 1100 kg

 

weight x3 na

or 2.5 forced

 

 

over 1100 kg mono construction

 

weight x4.82 na

or 4.0 forced

 

over 1100 kg with separate chassis

 

weight x5.46 na

or 4.68 forced.

 

OK, thats awesome. So that means a S13 rear IRS cradle might be legal too if done right. Easier to do than the 4 link to from what I've heard aswell.

 

I recon it could be done man. They often want to inspect at various stages throughout the modification,

also, some engineers may not want to plate it , but others will.

It sometimes pays to visit a few before deciding which guy to use. :jamie:

[towe001]

Well thats a bugger isn't it

[Trev]

Ke70 van's have a full chassis.

[oh what a nissan feeling!]

the sticker on it now says 1000kg

 

It has to be over 1100kg regardless of chassis.

[curly]

Ke70 van's have a full chassis.

woops double post

Edited December 15, 2008 by curly