Looks Like The K Motor Will Be Out In 2011!!!!

[trav_555]

well i read in the news paper at gym that the government is getting rid of normal fuel by 2011

 

and replacing it with e10 :D

 

lets all say goodbye to our old motors aye!

 

sr20det here i come :P

[fusion]

Huh? You mean Ethanol right?

 

If so I've run Ethanol in my K series, in my T series engines and my 18RG series.

 

It didn't like it to much in the 18RG, but the 2TG loved it :D Made it rev even more happier (not saying its a proven formula or anything, just what I experienced personally).

 

Their all older engines, so I can't see why it would be a big problem.

 

I'm no expert on different fuels though, so I could be wrong :P

Edited December 9, 2008 by fusion

[trav_555]

ethanol kills plastics and stuff, rots it away, say good bye to anything it touches on the inside of your carbi, and fuel lines and fuel pumps and stuff

 

it aint healthy to run it all the time in any old engine

[fusion]

Yeah thats what I have heard. Or at least remember hearing. 2TG still looks in good condition after pulling it out, and that was the engine that had it running with Ethanol for a good few months.

 

Be interesting to see what the engine "geeks" around here have to say about it :D

[KEhendo]

:D so e10 is not good for my car? i've just been getting it cos it's cheaper and i'm a tight arse. i've been running this e10 for about a month and i haven noticed anything wrong with my car. what exactly is it meant to do to my carbie and fuel lines?

[Jason]

Bring it on!

 

Ethanol strips old rubber, but new rubbers should (should) be able to handle 10% easy. IMO its blown out of proportion.

Ethanol makes less specific energy / weight, but burns cleaner and cooler (run higher compression and or boost and or timing) I want E50 :D

Edited December 9, 2008 by Jason

[trav_555]

make them melt, you can run it once amonth safely i think?

 

melting goodness, which creates holes, which creates leaks which creates fuel dripping places which creates less fuel economy/random fires

 

so yeah e10 bad naughty thing

[Jason]

10% is nothing its really not THAT caustic to plastics. Youll find a lot of those stories from places that run 50 - 70%. Just have a look at the people making and using biodesiel they are pumping through much more than 10% into old trucks.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Jason

[trav_555]

ahh ok, i still don't want to take the risk tohugh if i don't have too

 

already have to put 98 in it!

[irokin]

It should be noted that this is a NSW government thing, not nationwide (yet).

[Nitephyre]

I use it in my Battlevan most of the time, and I don't seem to have any issues....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aside from all my issues I have... but I think I've worked out that the secondary on my carby is loose and open most of the time, which would probably explain the bogging down and craptacular fuel usage :D

[Teddy]

Vehicles need to run 10% richer on E10 to maintain correct strict air:fuel ratios because of the burn. The economy may be cheaper by the L, but the reduced KM use & other effects in the long run i think wade me off the option of using it.

[philbey]

trav, plainly and simply you are talking shit.

 

There are certain issues with certain rubbers, sometimes un-anodised aluminium, cork, as well as issues with the hygroscopic nature of Ethanol absorbing moisture out of air (shouldn't be an issue with E10)

 

Get your facts straight before you start pronouncing rubbish to the forum. With some minor investigation and mods you will be able to run E10 with no issues. E85 might be a bit different though.

 

As for the benefits/disadvantages performance and consumption wise, there's still plenty of work to be done. A car properly tuned (fuel and ignition) to run ethanol mixes can see some good gains. Higher RON will allow better timing advance etc and more compression. Compression directly influences thermodynamic efficiency (why are diesels so efficient - Compression).

 

theres a servo in Adelaide selling E85 now, I'm hoping to tune my 5K to run a high Ethanol mix. Watch this space and quit spitting this disinformation.

[trav_555]

ahh ok sorry mate, just what id heard about it, don't listen to people who think they know stuff, ie mechanic friends then ahaha :D

 

still id prefer not to run ethanol in my car just because of the bad things ive heard about it

 

so yeah, good to know it wont harm my engine then too much if they bring it in though

[philbey]

All good - It's an interesting topic because there's a lot of people pushing some fairly crazy theories on ethanol. I'm not going to go into any conspiracy theories but theres a couple of fundamental interesting facts about ethanol in fuel that you should keep in mind:

 

1. Henry Ford designed the Model T to run on ethanol, you had enough control of the timing advance that it was basically a flex fuel vehicle! His theory was that farmers and remote people would be able to distill their own fuel. Pretty crazy.

 

2. Ethanol was a proven Antiknock agent as far back as the 20's, but the discovery of Lead additives which were much cheaper to use, meant that it never became a common fuel additive!

 

Like I said, I will be dabbling with getting my car running on E85. Things like a water separator filter, new fuel lines, big jets and a good degree of spark advance control, and I reckon I'll see some good gains from running it. Mind you I might also see myself bonnet up on the side of the road haha!

 

Cheers

 

tOm,.