bLinded_ Posted July 3, 2008 Report Posted July 3, 2008 Hey there people, Well it's a long story, but I'll do my best to cut it short :lovin: I ordered some new 5K pushrods from Toyota last week and went to pick them up today. Basically got there, compared my one from my engine to the new ones, and hmmm the new ones are too long. So, I ask the guy to have a look to find the part number for the pushrods from the varied 5K models (flat top pistons/solid lifters). So anyway, the guy goes and gets help from another guy. So now two people there ask me if I am certain I have a 5K and with my response the guys looks through the computer muttering stuff the the first guy, "Check the YH** Tarago, I think they had 5K's" :D Funnily enough he gives up and goes and gets a 3rd guy. Talk to him. He asks me what car it is out of. Told him from a KM something LiteAce. Asked him to look through the other model 5K's. He tells me that there is only 1 model 5k and there were none with solid lifters etc. After a brief talk, and him "telling" me I have the ones I need, I took them just to get out of there. Also told him they would be coming straight back for a refund if they are wrong. End of story. Anyway, I've had a search on here, and came up with that yes there is different model 5K's. So I was correct in saying that to the 3 Toyota guys. Also that the part numbers 13781-13081 & 13781-13091 correspond to 5K hydraulic lifters according to TRD (who I trust). The ones I got given though, are 13781-13100 and measure 156mm (apparently from a KM36). The engine I have is a 5K with hydraulic lifters and dished pistons and the pushrods measure 150mm. Well, at the moment I am really just after a part number for the correct 150mm pushrods so I can go in there tomorrow and just tell them the part number I need rather than to have to sit there and watch them search through Tarago Y series engines... If anyone know the part number for a 150mm pushrods please let me know. I am sure some of the more experienced members on here would have had to get new ones in their time :yes: I do apologise for the rant, just a little annoyed as the pushrods are the last items I need for the engine. Cheers, Alex. Quote
trd Posted July 3, 2008 Report Posted July 3, 2008 13781-13081 is the most common one for 5k's with hyl lifters. my epc dosent even show that number 13781-13100 Quote
bLinded_ Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Posted July 3, 2008 Awesome, thanks for that info TRD ;) I'll go and order those tomorrow. my epc dosent even show that number 13781-13100 ;) Makes me wonder what the hell I've been given then. Wouldn't put it past 'em that they made a typo on the label. Quote
Raven Posted July 3, 2008 Report Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Doubt its a typo. Sometimes part numbers get superceded and a different part number is released. I deal with this day in, day out with Holden's and Ford's. It's a right pain in the arse. If you're running solid lfters, have you checked the length of 3K pushrods? ;) Edited July 3, 2008 by Raven Quote
bLinded_ Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Posted July 3, 2008 Doubt its a typo. Sometimes part numbers get superceded and a different part number is released. I deal with this day in, day out with Holden's and Ford's. It's a right pain in the arse. If you're running solid lfters, have you checked the length of 3K pushrods? ;) Yeah the typo part was a bit of sarcasm ;) Just my way of saying that I didn't think they were the most switched-on guys about. Also, I'm not running solids. I am using standard 5K hydro lifters. Have a set of 3K lifters and pushrods in the garage that I was experimenting with (which failed I may add). They are cup-ball and about 30mm longer = not gonna work in the 5k:P Quote
Raven Posted July 3, 2008 Report Posted July 3, 2008 You'd need Datsun A12 pushrods to get it to work. ;) Quote
bLinded_ Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Yeah lol but I decided to give up on the solid lifter conversion. Ironically because I thought that it would be easier to just get some new pushrods for the 5k rather than source a set of A12's in good nick. Apparently not ;) Edit: For anyone who may find this useful: 3K solid lifters are too smaller diameter to run in the 5K block. Edited July 3, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
philbey Posted July 3, 2008 Report Posted July 3, 2008 Mate, I might have a spare set of second hand ones around the place if you want them. Quote
trd Posted July 4, 2008 Report Posted July 4, 2008 3k & 4k lifters are the wrong size, what you what is the 5k or 3f landcruiser lifters (same part no,s) also holden red (202 etc) or small block chev will fit, ok if your not running high lift cams. with soild lifters you can use the 4k push rods if you have the 5k flat top piston head, with the dished piston head toyota do make a push rod (4k) but you have to buy them new. also my epc covers supercedes, its probaly a part number they pulled out of microcat - australia only listing Quote
bLinded_ Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Posted July 4, 2008 (edited) Well, today I got my old man to contact another Toyota dealership in a nearby town to enquire about the 13781-13081 part number that TRD suggested, as I was at work. Turns out that they have 7 in stock in the warehouse, also that they are 5K pushrods :( . The blokes here in Wagga are just a bunch of lazy, arrogant kents. The main guy in charge has been there over 15 years, and was trying to tell me that there was only one type of 5K engine. I hate the fact that I get treated like crap here because I am only young(ish).;) . At the moment I am just waiting for the guys at Tumut Toyota to give me a length measurement for them so I know if they are the 150mm ones I need. That way I know I am actually getting the right ones. Mate, I might have a spare set of second hand ones around the place if you want them. Hey Philbey, thanks for the offer mate. I'd probably accept it if I was getting nowhere with Toyota, but the guys from Tumut are helping alot, so I will just go with the new ones as I've already paid $90.00 for the wrong ones. 3k & 4k lifters are the wrong size, what you what is the 5k or 3f landcruiser lifters (same part no,s) also holden red (202 etc) or small block chev will fit, ok if your not running high lift cams. with soild lifters you can use the 4k push rods if you have the 5k flat top piston head, with the dished piston head toyota do make a push rod (4k) but you have to buy them new. Yeah I found all of that out after I had got a hold of the 3K items. (6 P's etc. ;)) But as I stand at the moment, the 5K is in good nick, so I am not going to bother trying to track down all of the required parts to convert to solid lifters. The only thing that needs replacing is the pushrods as some are bent to roughly 120o. Nevertheless, It is good information. I guess though I could post another question as a bit off topic, and that being, is there any real advantage to converting to solid lifters in an engine that is only going to see 6500-7500 RPM occasionally? Edited July 4, 2008 by bLinded_ Quote
philbey Posted July 5, 2008 Report Posted July 5, 2008 No worries. That last question, I'm keen to hear an answer on. I would much prefer to run hydraulics and rev limit it.... Quote
bLinded_ Posted July 7, 2008 Author Report Posted July 7, 2008 Got the correct pushrods from Toyota today, and at trade price too. I think they must have felt a bit guilty about their lack of help before so I saved about $20 with the new ones. For anyone else who may read this in the future: 13781-13081 is the correct part number for 150mm pushrods for a dished piston 5K with hydraulic lifters. Thank you to everyone who contributed with information, especially TRD who gave me exactly what I needed. :D It is very appreciated. -Alex :yes: Quote
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