L And P Plate Laws

[45KIDS]

hey guys and gals

its a few weeks till i get my L's and lookin for a corolla but wanted a ke70 with 16v or 20v did those engines come stock in any corollas at all? because with new restrictions we can't have engine conversions.

 

any help is good help

 

cheers,

brodie

[WinKE55]

KE70's do not come with a 16V or 20V here in Australia anyway. Not sure about anywhere else

 

An AE86 I think has a 4age in it. Though don't hold me to that as I prefer older Corollas Pre KE70.

 

 

I am also an L driver, driving restrictions are tough at the moment, though if you just buy a KE70, put a 16v or 20v in it, keep it for 4 years, then get it blue plated, and everything then you can drive it. Though if not, then stick to the laws.

 

 

Depending what state you are in, also not allowed turbos, superchargers etc. Only exception is a small turbo for a diesel engine.

 

Not allowed a Rotary engine over a certain amount of cc's

 

Not allowed V8s or above

 

Not allowed a car with more than 200 kW or in Horsepower terms 268hp

Edited June 20, 2008 by WinKE55

[irokin]

KE70's do not come with a 16V or 20V here in Australia anyway. Not sure about anywhere else

 

Didn't come with 16v 4As anywhere. Or 16 valve anythings. Closest was the 1600GT in japan that had a 2T-G. Certainly didn't come with 20vs!

 

AE86s came with 16 valves but not in Australia AFAIK.

 

 

Just start small and dream about something big. Dreaming is free...and much safer for a learner.

 

 

p.s. Allowed not Aloud.

[interlopr]

Hey mate, ive been doing my research and I'm in the same boat as you, I Have just picked my self up a ke70, and planning to drop a 4AGE into it, It is legal, aslong as u can get an engineers certificate with a mod plate and Don't exceed the 200kw max :(.

[Gspec]

Hey mate, ive been doing my research and I'm in the same boat as you, I Have just picked my self up a ke70, and planning to drop a 4AGE into it, It is legal, aslong as u can get an engineers certificate with a mod plate and Don't exceed the 200kw max :(.

 

is that rule state specific?

 

200kw is crazy... my old BA XR6 Turbo had 145kw and that thing could get up and boogie, it also had traction control, airbags all round and a lot of other safety goodies... its also weighs alot more then a little rolla....

 

200kw in a little Rolla is crazy stupid!

[bLinded_]

I was under the impression that any modified vehicle is prohibited from being driven by an L or P plater. So, if you are driving a fully engineered 4AGE KE70, although the engine is engineered, it is still a different engine to the one that the car was released with, therefore modified and illegal. I'm sure the rules vary between state to state, but I sent an inquiry to the RTA about converting to a 4AGE in my KE70 and got this as a response.

 

...I own a 1983 Toyota Corolla (1.3L) however I was planning on converting to a larger engine (1.6L non-turbo). Just was wondering if there are any legal issues I need be aware of in order

for me to still register the car for me to drive (17 year old male, Red P's)...

 

Dear Alex

 

Changing the engine for increased performance will result in the vehicle

being a prohibited vehicle for P-plate use...

 

Pretty much, just because the car may be engineered, it is still a change in performance, and the car would be prohibited for new drivers. If you want a 4AGE, get an AE82, if you want RWD, get a KE70/AE71/AE86, but to legally have get both, your only option is a JDM AE86 (Be prepared to sell a kidney for it). If it's your first car, just get something that will keep you happy and is cheap to run. Save your pennies and when you get off your P's do the conversion.

 

Hey mate, ive been doing my research and I'm in the same boat as you, I Have just picked my self up a ke70, and planning to drop a 4AGE into it, It is legal, aslong as u can get an engineers certificate with a mod plate and Don't exceed the 200kw max smile.gif.

 

That might be the legal maximum power for a <1000 kg vehicle, but I can hardly see that just because you get it engineered, it will mean a P or L plater can drive it. I just can't see a KE70 that goes from 20kw to 200kw being legal, let alone safe for a P or L plater. If you find a way around it, then that is awesome :( but I remain sceptical that it is legal for a new driver.

Edited June 22, 2008 by bLinded_

[Doogs]

It all depends on what state you are in.

 

The new laws in vic state similar things to what winke has said, though they also

state ''no performance modifications". I believe they will use this clause to try and bing

people as they wish.

 

If you keep sensible you should not have to much trouble with your local cops.

 

It is probably sensible to not go all out so soon, irokin is right in saying you should just

dream about something big for the moment. You are probably best to wait untill you are off you ps and

have no restrictions before you buy something really nice/fast.

You will also have a better idea about driving and car control by then (no offence intended).

 

Best to learn the ropes in something cheap and not so quick to start with.

Maybe a mild 4k in a KE70/55/35 or the like ?

 

From what i hear you can have a heap of fun in one of these, but stay at safer speeds.

[interlopr]

It all depends on what state you are in.

 

The new laws in vic state similar things to what winke has said, though they also

state ''no performance modifications". I believe they will use this clause to try and bing

people as they wish.

 

If you keep sensible you should not have to much trouble with your local cops.

 

It is probably sensible to not go all out so soon, irokin is right in saying you should just

dream about something big for the moment. You are probably best to wait untill you are off you ps and

have no restrictions before you buy something really nice/fast.

You will also have a better idea about driving and car control by then (no offence intended).

 

Best to learn the ropes in something cheap and not so quick to start with.

Maybe a mild 4k in a KE70/55/35 or the like ?

 

From what i hear you can have a heap of fun in one of these, but stay at safer speeds.

 

I don't mean buy a 4age and mod it like crazy to reach 199kw lol. I'm putting a standard 4age into my car with no engine mods, to, that's only 86kw or what ever the bigports have. I'm in qld and thats just the laws that i have researched, sorry for any mis-direction to people in the other states.

[import_love]

if you buy a JDM ae86 it'll have the 16v 4age in it but your lookin at around $8000+ for the weight of a keto you don't really have to go about modding it straight away anyway, you are still learning(just like me). put a good suspension package in and you'll be laughing

Edited June 22, 2008 by import_love

[hilton]

f@$k reading the all of that^^

 

basically, f@$k the laws, if you wana keto with a 20 or 16v do it man.

 

I'm on my l's but ive got an sr20 in a ke70 haha.

[WinKE55]

Hey mate, ive been doing my research and I'm in the same boat as you, I Have just picked my self up a ke70, and planning to drop a 4AGE into it, It is legal, aslong as u can get an engineers certificate with a mod plate and Don't exceed the 200kw max :(.

 

 

 

Lol. You must of researched pretty shit. You say you are in QLD? Then this is only a little bit of the new laws.

 

I was going to attempt putting an SR20 into my KE55 hardtop. It is legal to do if you get a blue plate yes.

 

 

But P and L platers are not allowed to drive it anyway. As it will need to be approved under the Transport Operations for the blue plate.

 

High-powered and performance vehicles include those with:

 

* eight or more cylinders

* a turbo-charged or super-charged engine that is not diesel powered

* an engine that has a power output of more than 200 kW as per the manufacturer's specifications

* a rotary engine that has an engine capacity of more than 1146cc as per the manufacturer's specifications

* a modified engine that must be approved under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management – Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999, section 30.

 

 

Sorry for bursting your bubble Interlopr.

Edited June 22, 2008 by WinKE55

[interlopr]

Lol. You must of researched pretty shit. You say you are in QLD? Then this is only a little bit of the new laws.

 

I was going to attempt putting an SR20 into my KE55 hardtop. It is legal to do if you get a blue plate yes.

 

 

But P and L platers are not allowed to drive it anyway. As it will need to be approved under the Transport Operations for the blue plate.

 

High-powered and performance vehicles include those with:

 

* eight or more cylinders

* a turbo-charged or super-charged engine that is not diesel powered

* an engine that has a power output of more than 200 kW as per the manufacturer's specifications

* a rotary engine that has an engine capacity of more than 1146cc as per the manufacturer's specifications

* a modified engine that must be approved under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management – Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 1999, section 30.

 

 

Sorry for bursting your bubble Interlopr.

 

Please try and define what you are flaming me for mate :(? It says NOTHING about engine conversions there does it? And thank you. A standard 16v 4AGE Does not = a Modified Engine that must be approved. If your smart enough, Approved by transport opperations = a mod plate mate, so get your facts right first, then flame me okay bud?

[Lukey]

gotta love RADelaide none of that if your a L or P plater you have to drive something stock

i am currently a P plater and have driven many modified cars and the piggies don't care unless

you are a stupid boy/girl and do something silly lol

lukey

[Kid-Ae]

No point having anything powerful as your first car. Why have the added power there if you are only just learning to control something with stock power? even stock V6 commodores have a bit to much bang for most young drivers, they are mostly light in the rear and have around a 9.?kw/100kg p/w ratio.

 

I'm more than happy to scoot around in a Corolla on my L's :(

 

Goes where i need it to, even IF i accidentally nail it i don't have extreme response so its easier to control and a fantastic unit to learn it. High power is for people showing off. Go un-noticed, that way we don't have to see you on the news that night.

 

Yes, all the hype of powerful engines and turbo's are luring, i know this. I was going to have a 253 V8 HZ ute, but thanks to the laws i couldnt. They don't have a heap of power, less than dads commodore which i drive, but they have enough guts to move along if you wanted to see how fast they went.

 

Not to mention i am planning, after graduating through the licensing system, to bolt a turbo up to my stock 4k and do some MILD work to it. It isnt a huge grunt gain but enough to ensure you go flying.

 

I'd stick to something stock and try not to push the boundaries of the law.

 

Drive safely now :)

[ke10rolla]

its kw at the engine not the wheels btw