What Grinds My Gears.

[Des]

One 'project' at a time, Des...

 

Besides, no point picking up a 'project' someone else has half done and given up on :D

 

Oh I'm not taking on a another project, Just she didn't listen when people told her the truth 1st time round.

[LittleRedSpirit]

What about all of the fully licensed drivers out there who can't drive. You don't get any "fair warning" with those. It really reflects on your driving ability when you run into someone because you weren't aware of how bad they were driving and then blame it on them because their P-plates weren't displayed. You should be aware and cautious of all drivers because they all pose a risk!

Sure P-platers are less experienced, but it gets to a point where the older "better, experienced" drivers get lassaiz faire and start slipping and having accidents.

And we don't make elderly people wear E-Plates. Some of them are just as dangerous as P or even L Platers.

EDIT: Oh, and since when do bad P-Plater driver's go from bad to good when they get their fulls. They're probably still "learning" they've still got all the bad habits of a P-plater, but guess what? NO WARNING!!! Shock horror!

 

 

Come on mate, stay focused, I'm talking about young drivers, not old. Just wait for your first big acco, then you wont be so 'fight the power' about the need for P plates, or the road rules. I think you have a little too much rage over a fairly inconsequential road rule. There is no impact on your life beyond the possibility of added safety and patience for you and your hill start stalling, gutter rubbing, touch parking, non reverse parallel parking kind.

 

Ive been driving a manual since I was 7 or 8 years old. I managed to get through my Ps without losing any points, and we didn't have to display plates in my day. :D To this day touch wood Ive never had an at fault accident. I'm in the minority trust me. Almost everyone I knew at your age was losing and re-losing their licenses, writing off cars, etc. All silly stuff really. :y: Sadly most of it was just down to the excitable nature of the young driver. I mean I'm a decent experienced driver and every now and then something still surprises me in a bad way. Trust me, everyday is a school day and you'll be learning behind the wheel till the day they take your car off you.

 

What really grinds my gears is the attitude some people have,as though the rules don't apply to them, simply because they feel that they are special, and don't deserve to be lumped in any group with their peers. Rules are meant to be followed, especially those about road safety. If your poor driving ability and most probably judgement causes other motorists to be harmed, this sooky, child like defence of "oh well if everyone else could drive they wouldn't have hit me" wont do much more than provoke laughter from the magistrate. Good luck with that one. ;)

[towe001]

Man i hate the Liberals!

They plan on blocking Rudd's next stimulous package. thanks alot. Thats cash i could do with and now wont get a chance. Well atleast they let all the people that don't work get something!

I like the idea of the package

but where are they getting it from is what should be asked....

 

From what i can understand of the last package we got, it put Australia from being in the black to us now in the red.

What needs to be done isn't so much of a stimulus package but more of wage cut to each and every topcat (CEO, ones in the government etc etc). And just like us, if they want a wage rise its taken to the public (or the line workers in the case of a business CEO) and voted on. Just like what we'd have to do in taking our case to the "board" and tell them why we believe we're worth more...

[Trev]

Come on mate, stay focused, I'm talking about young drivers, not old. Just wait for your first big acco, then you wont be so 'fight the power' about the need for P plates, or the road rules. I think you have a little too much rage over a fairly inconsequential road rule. There is no impact on your life beyond the possibility of added safety and patience for you and your hill start stalling, gutter rubbing, touch parking, non reverse parallel parking kind.

 

Ive been driving a manual since I was 7 or 8 years old. I managed to get through my Ps without losing any points, and we didn't have to display plates in my day. :D To this day touch wood Ive never had an at fault accident. I'm in the minority trust me. Almost everyone I knew at your age was losing and re-losing their licenses, writing off cars, etc. All silly stuff really. :y: Sadly most of it was just down to the excitable nature of the young driver. I mean I'm a decent experienced driver and every now and then something still surprises me in a bad way. Trust me, everyday is a school day and you'll be learning behind the wheel till the day they take your car off you.

 

What really grinds my gears is the attitude some people have,as though the rules don't apply to them, simply because they feel that they are special, and don't deserve to be lumped in any group with their peers. Rules are meant to be followed, especially those about road safety. If your poor driving ability and most probably judgement causes other motorists to be harmed, this sooky, child like defence of "oh well if everyone else could drive they wouldn't have hit me" wont do much more than provoke laughter from the magistrate. Good luck with that one. ;)

 

One thing that gets me is the amount of people that have said to me that they are scared or nervous the first few times they drive on thier own, They have always had someone beside them to give them what little guidance they need, I think they should do something to make young drivers more confident driving on thier own, I don't really have anything to suggests but it needs to be done.

[Falken_KE30]

i got through all P's with only 1 point lost.. 93kays on the highway.. so not really a stupid. more or less was impatient to get home.

 

Haven t lost me license, just gone fully licensed last month. as i can have alcohol and shit in body to a certain extent.

[irokin]

One thing that gets me is the amount of people that have said to me that they are scared or nervous the first few times they drive on thier own, They have always had someone beside them to give them what little guidance they need, I think they should do something to make young drivers more confident driving on thier own, I don't really have anything to suggests but it needs to be done.

 

 

Sounds like a pretty normal reaction to me, it is a new experience after all. I was nervous on my first drive on the open road alone. Mind you that was around surfers paradise on a busy friday afternoon, but that was my choice.

 

Personally I don't think the training should stop when you do your first solo drive. This idea that you've passed your driving test so now you're A'OK to released onto the open road your own is absurd. Take a look at flight training for example. After 10hrs training you'll do one circuit (about 10-15 minutes) solo usually with no wind and very very good weather conditions. Taxi, take off, turns, landing checklist, approach, land, taxi back. Nothing too strenuous (aside from the whole "landthisaircraftsafelyoryouregoingtodie" part). You'll then fly with the instructor again and then do two solo circuits, three, four, up until the point where you can do an hour of circuits on your own but all the time going back with the instructor. It builds confidence, it acknowledges that you're not able to deal with all turns of events, provides for a system to remedy bad habits and progressively introduces the student to a new environment.

 

 

Anyway, you're very quick to judge Trev. How about having a little compassion for those who are not able to be as perfect as you.

[67Rolla-Ken]

They do do something about it. It's called a Provisional License! This is why you have some restrictions and a visible sign on your car letting other drivers know you are inexperienced.

 

I also think advanced driver training should be compulsory. This could give a similar assistance as the flight training you mentioned Irokin.

[Trev]

Anyway, you're very quick to judge Trev. How about having a little compassion for those who are not able to be as perfect as you.

 

f@$k here we go again. Umm judge?

 

I'm not trying to deflect the personality of anyone, I just think that it is something that needs to be looked at to help drivers with real life issues, I wasnt perfect with my driving, I was kicked out of home when i was 16 so when I got my learners I drove unsupervised as I had no one to help me and when it came time to get my P's I had developed several bad habits like not driving 10 - 2 but anyway Ben think what you like.

[corolla_nut]

Come on mate, stay focused, I'm talking about young drivers, not old. Just wait for your first big acco, then you wont be so 'fight the power' about the need for P plates, or the road rules. I think you have a little too much rage over a fairly inconsequential road rule. There is no impact on your life beyond the possibility of added safety and patience for you and your hill start stalling, gutter rubbing, touch parking, non reverse parallel parking kind.

 

Ive been driving a manual since I was 7 or 8 years old. I managed to get through my Ps without losing any points, and we didn't have to display plates in my day. :D To this day touch wood Ive never had an at fault accident. I'm in the minority trust me. Almost everyone I knew at your age was losing and re-losing their licenses, writing off cars, etc. All silly stuff really. :y: Sadly most of it was just down to the excitable nature of the young driver. I mean I'm a decent experienced driver and every now and then something still surprises me in a bad way. Trust me, everyday is a school day and you'll be learning behind the wheel till the day they take your car off you.

 

What really grinds my gears is the attitude some people have,as though the rules don't apply to them, simply because they feel that they are special, and don't deserve to be lumped in any group with their peers. Rules are meant to be followed, especially those about road safety. If your poor driving ability and most probably judgement causes other motorists to be harmed, this sooky, child like defence of "oh well if everyone else could drive they wouldn't have hit me" wont do much more than provoke laughter from the magistrate. Good luck with that one. ;)

 

I know you are talking about young drivers, but I am simply stating that there are a lot of bad drivers on the road who do not have their P-plates and you get no warning.

I don't fight the road rules, as much as I didn't like a select few, I stuck to all of them.

I'll just give you an example of why this P-plate thing bugged me so much:

When this new rule came in about not being able to display those suctiony P-plates on your window, I left them on, but also displayed ones on the outside. When my boyfriend went to drive (fully licensed)he took off the outside ones but left the inside ones on, he got pulled over about a block from home. They got all disappointed when they realised he was fully licensed and told him to take them off, which means these P-plates are fully visible, or else he wouldn't have gotten pulled over.

Another example:

A friend of ours was driving to Tamworth on his Green P's. He had the window ones on. A cop cut off a truck in peak hour traffic to do a u-turn and speed to catch up with our mate to pull him over. He was doing nothing wrong.

 

And for your information, I am fully licensed, I had not lost one point, been in one single accident or been given a simple parking ticket. I have passed all of my tests first go: L's, Red P's test, Green P's Test, Full License test, Plus Motorbike L's and P's, which I got a full license for even before I was fully licensed in a car. I don't scrape gutters and stall on hills and can do perfect reverse parallel parks. So don't start.

 

The only reason why it's "fight the power" as you put it, is we have people, such as you, who did not have to go through all this bullshit, and think they are really great driver's say that this is the best thing. How on earth do you know? You didn't have to do shit compared to us, and you see, the really bad driver's of your age and older got through and are still bad drivers, still have bad habits and are still causing near accidents, just like bad P-plate drivers.

 

Trust me, I know that this is "for the best" and "no, really, it will help curb the youth road toll" not! All I'm saying is I think they could have put better more practical measures in place that would produce better results. I know there are alot of bad P-plater's on the road, but there are also alot of cautious good ones who don't really like driving much as they'd much prefer to stay out of accidents because they don't trust other drivers. My friend is one of them. She only drives when she needs to, she never speeds, never does anything stupid and abides by the road rules. Half the problem is that some RTA officers are too soft. I was really pissed to learn that one person I know through a friend passed their P's after hitting a kerb and 'bumping' the car behind!! I go picked on for not being exactly straight beside a trailer before commencing a reverse parallel behind it!

 

I think the government could have thought of a much better way to deal with the issue, like practical driver training, I do agree with upping the hours on L's though.

As I'm sure I've said before, I think everyone should have to do a driving test every 5 years or whenever they renew the licence. And there needs to be an across the board, this passes this fails thing. Oh, and more education about motorbikes, I don't know how many times I've had a near miss because people just don't look!

Edited February 4, 2009 by corolla_nut

[67Rolla-Ken]

When you say people don't look with regards to motorbikes, sometimes you can't see them even if you do look! A bike can hide behind your b pillar quite easily I've had it happen before.

As I've said before, I do think more emphasis should be put on actual defensive driving training. This prepares you more for when things aren't going perfect. But this would probably be seen as encouraging hoon behavior.

 

What grinds my gears: "a lot" it's 2 words people :D

I was a D student when it came to English, so I have no idea why this bugs me but it does.

[andro0o]

What grind my gears? My fuking mechanic.

 

I'm so sik of taking it there. I give them specific instructions and they just do something completely different.

 

I asked them to tune and dyno the car. I go to pik it up and they're like "ohh we changed an alternator wire and we adjsuted the idle" and that was it. They are family friends and my work gets done in most cases for free. But it trips me out in the sense that you go in the work shop and there is record holding cars everywhere you look. Fastest turbo car, fastest ls1, fastest ve and a whole lot more, but my car can't seem to find its way to one of their dynos for a half an hours worth of tuning.

 

grrr? it makes no sense.

 

edit: spelling.

Edited February 5, 2009 by andro0o

[Jason KE30]

WGMG is bloody drivers who don't indicate when they are changing lanes.

especially in peak hour!!

i saw it happen 3 times this arvo.

bloody dickheads are gonna get rear ended yet the insurance companies are going to put the other guy at fault for rear ending someone else!!

you didn't want to get rear ended then bloody indicate next time you're changing lanes!! GRR

[Redwarf]

Pfftt. Welcome to Queensland. It's the only state in the country where indicators are optional extras, and the residents are too tight to take up the option.

[Jason]

Replacing the engine wiring in my volvo...

[7shades]

Replacing the engine wiring in my volvo...

 

Oh your poor sod...