Ke10 4age Engineering

[Davros El Davros]

Hey All,

 

I'm hoping that this isn't bleeding obvious, and I've done lots of searching to find the answer, but no dice...

I am looking at doing the 4AGE engine conversion into my KE10, to get more power and reliability as I have to drive the car alot further and more frequently than expected.

 

Now I have done tonnes of required reading, both on this forum and other web sites about how to do the conversion - flipping the engine around, cut and shut on the intake, gearbox mounts, fabricating engne mounts etc.

 

I just wanted to see if anyone knew the legal requirements to get the car engineered? Obviously bigger brakes/boosted brake system, hydraulic clutch..

I have a 5k (1500cc) in there at present, so I'm guessing putting a 1600cc 16v 100kw 4AGE in there will still be in the legal limits?

 

I am about to get a 16v 100kw engine from Ichiban, but before I do just wanted to find out if its still cool to chuck it in a KE10 - maybe rules have changed recently.

 

If anyone knows of a thread with this info, a website I can go to, or a place I can search this info myself it would be sweet!

 

Thanks

 

Davros.

[Redwarf]

I'd start by ringing your local transport authority (don't forget to get the name of the person you speak to :jamie:). They are ultimately the people you're going to have to keep happy. They'll also be able to tell you where you can get a list of authorised engineers, who'll e up to speed with what you have to do.

 

Good luck!

 

R

[Davros El Davros]

Thanks Redwarf - thought I would have a trawl about on the RTA website, and came across their vehicle standards page which has a heap of downloadable PDFS.

 

Here is the link for anyone who may be interested:

 

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/dow...si/vsi_dl1.html

 

For the light vehicle modifications document - VSI 06, from the table on page 3, it seems that for a car with a tare mass of up to 1100kg with a naturally aspirated engine the

maximum engine capacity (cc) cannot exceed the original tare mass (kg) x 3.0.

 

So would I be right in assuming that a KE10, with an original tare mass of 710kg can (according to this table anyway...) accept a naturally aspirated engine up to 2130 cc?

Of course there is a disclaimer stating that an engineer will be consulted, which I will do before lifting a spanner...

 

Cheers

 

Davros

[LINDSAY]

G'day Davros , i am putting 4AGE in my Ke25 at the moment , best thing i did was go and see an engineer ( they have a list of approved engineers on the R.T.A website )and get him/her to go through all the requirements needed , very informative found out some stuff i did no know had to be done. He was saying how alot of people go and do their conversions and then go and see him only to find out some of the Mods they have done and probably spent alot of money doing are illegal , had they gone to engineer first they could've avoid the haert ache and wallet ache

[Davros El Davros]

Lindsay - def sounds like the best way to go. I have just downloaded the list of RTA approved engineers for the NSW/Syndey area so ill go through and find someone to go and annoy.

 

Have you got any recommendations of where to take it to and have a chat?

Are you putting in a 16v or 20v?

I was looking at the 20v - being a later model engine, and apparently a smoother engine to drive, but was worried about fitting it into the KE10

especially with the dizzy being mounted at the back of the engine. Figured that a 16v 100kw would be easier to get in there.

[LINDSAY]

Hi mate , i just went to the closest guy to me (Terry Toohey his name is but he's a bit far fromyou i think ) they will charge you for their advice but well worth it mate i think an hour of his time was worth bout $100 , we spent the first hour talking about my car then i paid him and then he showed me his cobra rep. and we chatted for a couple more hours about that , he is a good guy

[LINDSAY]

i got a 16v 4AGE , but i only got that cause it was cheap and allready setup for RWD , i think you can get the stuff to turn the 20v to RWD from this site

P.A.S.S. racing

or if your quick i'm think a dude is selling his RWD 20v on Toymods

here it is RWD 4AGE 20v for sale w/associated parts

[jamesrolla]

Lindsay - def sounds like the best way to go. I have just downloaded the list of RTA approved engineers for the NSW/Syndey area so ill go through and find someone to go and annoy.

 

Have you got any recommendations of where to take it to and have a chat?

Are you putting in a 16v or 20v?

I was looking at the 20v - being a later model engine, and apparently a smoother engine to drive, but was worried about fitting it into the KE10

especially with the dizzy being mounted at the back of the engine. Figured that a 16v 100kw would be easier to get in there.

 

i know for a fact that a 20v and a 16v will both go into a ke1# bengine bay, will see if i can get some pics of the 20v one

[Davros El Davros]

Yeah I have been searching for some pics of a KE10 with a 20v 4AGE in it for ages, but so far no luck - have plenty of pics of KE10s with 16v 4AGEs..

 

I have spoken to 2 engineers this week in regard to the conversion and they said that legally it is fine, the engine capacity still fits in with the RTA vechile standards for modified light vehicles.

 

So at this stage I am going ahead with dropping a 16v 100kw in there.

 

I am buying one from Ichiban Imports this week - 16v 4AGE 100kw with only 78 000km on the clock.

 

I am thinking or doing a fairly comprehensive thread on the installation of the engine into my KE10, if people would be interested.

 

I have found plenty of how-tos on putting a 16v into later model rollas but nothing on a KE10 - 4AGE conversion.

 

 

Cheers for the help so far guys

 

Davros

[LINDSAY]

how ichibarn going to sting you for the motor ? cause there is a few on ebay at the moment under a grand

[Davros El Davros]

They are charging around 1200 bucks for the 100kw engine with that has done 78,000 km, wiring loom, ECU, MAP sensor and coil.

 

They will start the engine for me before we take it away, plus there is a 3-month warranty.

 

I have been checking out ebay a bit, but figured that I would go with Ichiban so I know what I am getting, with a warranty.

 

I have found their prices to be a bit cheaper than other jap engine importers.

 

I figured I would probably pay a bit more for an engine etc from an Importer such as Ichiban, but probably would get an engine with less wear and tear than buying elsewhere?

 

But at the same time, this is the first Jap engine conversion I have done, so any advice is welcome..>!

[LINDSAY]

Not bad at all , with loom, ecu and warranty , hopefully its a RWD on with the throttle body facing the right way , just cut and shut if not

[Davros El Davros]

Cool - I thought it wasn't a bad price considering the relatively low mileage on the engine, plus a 3month warranty.

 

As far as I know its a FWD drive engine at the moment, so the cut and shut on the manifold will def be happening.

 

I also can get a T50 box from Ichiban for 300 bucks, just need to source a bellhousing to fit it to the 4AGE - the box is from a 3T engine.

 

Then of course have to get extractors, fuel pumps, surge tank and lines, and then work out the brakes.

 

Let the fun begin!

[kickn5k]

i know for a fact that a 20v and a 16v will both go into a ke1# bengine bay, will see if i can get some pics of the 20v one

 

 

Yeah i have seen picks of a 20v in a ke-1x from tassie and when i talked to him on the phone all he said he had to do was slightly mod the firewall with a hammer and dolly where the dizzy comes out and other than that it was reasonably easy conversion.

 

Keep the info up on this conversion as I'm considering a hot bigport conversion for my 11

Good luck with it all and don't forget the engineers are your friend and that bit of paper came in handy when the traffic cops or tmu in vic question whether a 5k came out in a corolla.

 

stu.

[jamesrolla]

if its the same car its jsut amazing how well set up the engine bay is, and how set up the whole car is, the 20v looks like it is supposed to be there and it has rack and pinion, big brakes and an awsopme suspension set up, there is also a 100kw 16v one down here on webers that is pretty fast aswell, this car is a bit simpler but goes very well, as far as i nkow with this one the brakes are only datsun stanze stock struts and brakes with a ke20 x member and an escort diff,

 

i would be very pleased to see a conversion guide anyway man, keep us up to date on it