3f Lifters

[camerondownunder88]

Hi,

Ok I got lifters today. I looked at all the prices of lifters went ot 4 car shops adn decided 3F original lifters wee the best to get :)

 

So below is a picture of the find:

 

The cost of these currently the best I could find was $13.95 per lifter :cool: And being a student I didn't want to pay this much..lol But still $13.95 is better than what Toyota quoted me for lifters they wanted $40 each.

 

So At this shop that was the cheapest (walkers A1 in ippy) I said if I buy 8 on the spot here now can you do them for $11 each. I though mm he might not drop it that far but worth a shot. So the guy went and played on the computer for a bit and then came back and said he can't do them for $11 but can do them for $11.12 SO I said SOLD and bought 8 of them. So pretty happy with the find as I did get them cheaper. As other prices for lifters were $17.95 each for holden solid lifters (this was the crow cams price as repco is a crow cam dealer) and , $20 for chev lifters even though there the same thing go figure so best bet is go to walkers A1 and get original 3F lifters it is the cheapest way out in the 5K lifter issue. And there original Japan made parts to :D

 

So the price of lifters has gone up I can tell everyone that now. Also Super cheap auto can't get in any 3F lifters anymore and don't even have them on the computer system AND repco didn't have any either. So by the looks 3F lifters will also become hard to find soon also.

 

Now to answer Matt's question about missing lifter bottoms ok might of miss lead people there the bottom of my lifters are now dished..lol And yes there stainless steel but there was no damage to the cam shaft so goes to show a hardened nitride cam shaft is strong :dance: But below is a picture of a 5K hydro on the left and a 3F new one on the right:

 

Only about 3 are this bad the rest are better but have pitting and well d4ead anyway. As if these were still good I would of made dirty lifters and turned these hydraulic lifters into solid lifters :dance:

Also the measurements for my lifters are:

5K hydro:

51.79mm long ( 2.03898 inches)

21.41mm wide (0.84291 inches)

 

3F/factory 5K solids:

46.02mm long ( 1.81181 inches)

21.38mm wide ( 0.84173 inches)

 

Also the length of a solid lifter is shorter and the push rod drops into a solid lifter also so a hydraulic cam doesn't have the same amount of lift ramp on it as it doesn't need it so running a hydro cam on solids etc (it can be done I have done it before) you will lose lift. Thats just a side note but..lol

 

Cheers

Cameron

[Felix]

I'm happy with my zero dollar quick and dirty solid lifter conversion. :cool:

 

Cool. Can you get a pic of the oil feed holes in the side of the lifter?

 

What pushrods are you going to run? I have a feeling that dished 4k pushrods would be the right length with those lifters running a 5k head. Shallow cupped 3k ones might work if you have enough thread on your adjusters. Normal 4k ones will probably be to long.

 

Are you still going to run the same cam that was run with the lifters that went bad? Hopefully the the taper hasn't been worn off the cam lobes that makes the lifters rotate.

[kangaroosa]

The cost of these currently the best I could find was $13.95 per lifter :cool: And being a student I didn't want to pay this much..lol But still $13.95 is better than what Toyota quoted me for lifters they wanted $40 each.

 

So the price of lifters has gone up I can tell everyone that now. Also Super cheap auto can't get in any 3F lifters anymore and don't even have them on the computer system AND repco didn't have any either. So by the looks 3F lifters will also become hard to find soon also.

 

Some great info in your post. However i got my lifters just 3 weeks ago, for the price stated in my previous post. Just thought i would clear that up, incase it discouraged anyone who is on a budget.

For anyone thats looking into purchasing solid lifters (and you don't need them now or tomorrow), i would suggest purchasing the lifters from Crow Cams direct over the phone. They can mail them out to you and it would still be cheaper than buying them through repco or supercheap.

 

Interesting about not blocking the oil passages when converting from hydro to solid too. I heard its normally the done thing to block the passages. Simply using a 4k gasket, instead of a 5K gasket with the cutouts in it. I will be converting back to solids again in the coming months, so its nice to know that i wont have to bother worrying about that aspect of it.

[camerondownunder88]

Hi,

Interesting fact kangaroosa that you got 16 for $75 from crow cams yet there ippy dealer wants $17.95 each for the same lifter..lol But I got mine at cheapest price i could find here not getting them posted from a factory etc so I'm happy and I got price lowered so all is good.

 

But Felix I never got measurement of oil hole I can tell you where the inside of the lifter tapers to hold the push rod the oil hole is just above it and is a SHIT load bigger than a5K hyrdo lifter hole.

 

That is why I asked about upping oil pressure here: http://www.rollaclub.com/board/index.php?showtopic=13223

As Boosted 5K who is a walking encyclopedia on K motors who owns 7K's blown 5K's all up right motors TRD gear like tosco adjustable factory K motor cam gear etc so he knows his shit. He also races them. Said in a post at another forum once he put solids in a 5K and the oil galleries then didn't like the oil being there and it was like an open tap let oil run free and he lost a lot of oil pressure. So it is said to block the hole for oil into the 5K lifter area so you don't lose oil pressure. But blown 5K said block them or up oil pressure bypass spring. I'm going spring way just in case as I don't wanna get a 5K that hates solids and loses oil pressure and i don't want to pull the motor out a day later to fix the oil pressure situation. So a note of warning on a 5K there will prob be a oil pressure drop of a bit to a lot when doing this swap so be careful.

 

Also Felix I have 8 A12 motor push rods int eh post they will fit in like a glove but i think i have a set of 4K-E push rods that came with a 4K-e head so ill get them out tomorrow and see if they fit.

 

Cheers

Cameron

[Felix]

If guys are running a12 pushrods with chev solids, I think they will be to short with the lifters you have now.

 

My oil pump has a 3mm shim in it, with my zero dollar converted lifters which have been going happily for near on 3 years now. ;)

[camerondownunder88]

Hi,

Depending on the 5K I have felix 4K push rods will fit. But for solid lifters xany, madroller etc have all used a solid lifter life 3F or chev ones which are pretty much the same and put in A12 rods. So these should fit but I can play with the long or short rocker posts and a few different push rods I have here.

 

Cheers

Cameron

[camerondownunder88]

oh also for got to add I made a 1.99mm thick shim for my oil pump so I will see how that goes now ;) thumbs up

 

Cameron

[camerondownunder88]

AHAHAH

 

Trouble in paradise maybe..lol

 

Been doing some reading. The chev/holden lifter people usually use for a 5K solid conversion is 3 grams heavier than a 3F lifter. This is because there is more metal on the cam face which in turn makes them thicker so you need a shorter push rod.

 

I was jssut reading an article about a 5K they used 3F lifter and A12 rods were to short as the 3F being a thinner lifter doesnt quite make up the gap. So I might have a push rod issue here. So I am woundering can soemone supply me with push rod lengths please? I need to know push rod lengths of A12 adn 3k,4K and 4K dished piston motors, K, 2K,7K etc so I can see what push rods I can find if my A12 rods done fit. As felix you might be right A12 rods might not fit but fingers crossed.

 

Cheers

Cameron

[Felix]

The pushrod end sits lower in the 3F lifters than the chev ones. I've attached a quick pic of what I mean. Note the chev ones may sit a little lower than how I have drawn it but you will get the idea.

 

Also yes there is two different rocker pedestal heights. The only thing is that they both sit the rocker shaft the same height in relation to the top of the head. ;)

[madrolla68]

The pushrod end sits lower in the 3F lifters than the chev ones. I've attached a quick pic of what I mean. Note the chev ones may sit a little lower than how I have drawn it but you will get the idea.

 

Also yes there is two different rocker pedestal heights. The only thing is that they both sit the rocker shaft the same height in relation to the top of the head. :)

 

Hence WHY i use holden/chev lifters and there is no issue with using A12 pushrods, my 5KT is currently running this exact setup.

 

;) :bash: :no2: :sob:

[madrolla68]

Hi,

Depending on the 5K I have felix 4K push rods will fit. But for solid lifters xany, madroller etc have all used a solid lifter life 3F or chev ones which are pretty much the same and put in A12 rods. So these should fit but I can play with the long or short rocker posts and a few different push rods I have here.

 

Cheers

Cameron

 

Just remember that there is rocker geaometry to take into account here its not just a matter of getting the correct tappet clearance.

[Xany]

I also use the A12/chev setup.....works a treat. Cameron, you'll probably find that the 3K or 4K ones may be alright to use. From memory i think the 4k pushrods are longer than the 3K items. I may be able to find out tonight for ya

Edited May 21, 2007 by Xany
cause me stupid. :P

[Felix]

4k pushrods are longer than 3k items. Due to the longer stroke a 4k block is taller than a 3k, hence needing longer pushrods. ;)

[Xany]

bwahahahahaha.....stupid me, i meant that but typed it the other way around....idiot! *slaps forehead*

[camerondownunder88]

Drum roll...lol

 

Tonight after i got home from my place of study I decided to go thought my push rod tin to find push rods to fit.

 

First rod I got is a weird one looks nothing like a A12 push rod, shorter than a 4K rod and a 3K rod. Looked like it would be a goer..lol

 

Put it in it fitted ;) but i for got cam on that cylinder wasn't bottom dead center so when I turned the motor they were short :bash:. So I tried some standard 4K rods to long tried a 3K standard rod just to short by about 3-5mm so not much. That was with the adjuster of the push rod wound right out so this wound in might do the job but well play with that Wednesday night.

 

But on my 5K I have 3K aluminum long rocker posts as they have oil holes in each one so was a way of mm holding more oil so first start ups oil was in he rocker gear eg less wear. So I got the original 5K steel rockers out and there about 4mm shorter than a 3K rocker posts. So I figure if the adjuster can't be wound down enough to meet the 3K push rod, I will install the shorter rocker gear and presto the 3K push rod should fit the motor.

 

Cheers

Cameron

 

P.S. I know doing the 3F solid lifter conversion the push rods in the factory solid 5K are the same as the dished piston 4K rods so if anyone has a 4K dished piston motor with push rods please contact me fast......